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Absurd Hero
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 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:11 pm
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| Unholy_Nny wrote: | | Also, I would like to point out that it's "Inspirational", so it's not trying to be preachy to non-believers, it's trying to be supportive to people who already believe. |
If that was the case, why have a main character who is so resistant to Christianity? (She still "doesn't quite believe God exists," by Volume 3.) If they really wanted to be inspirational, they would focus more on the Prayer Club and less on Serenity herself. For example, they could show how the club deals with life's good and bad times in a Christian way. Instead, we're going to see a girl go from your average agnostic to a bible-thumper in six volumes.
I personally like the simple character designs and the novelty of it being a full-color manga (however simple those colors may be.) But I'm already getting the creepy feeling that I'm reading an updated Chick tract. It may be only a 9-page preview, but Serenity's "re-education" has already begun.
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Unholy_Nny
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:10 pm
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hehehe, well, I'm an uber-christian, and I'm going to be buying this, and hoping it sells alot, so they will make a more male oriented christian amerimanga I won't be embarrased to read in public ^^; , besides that, it does look good.... to me atleast, but I'm a "bible-thumper" who likes to "re-educate" the masses.... too bad it doesn't work the way it seems it does in Serenity....
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ACDragonMaster
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:41 am
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| Fallcon wrote: | You know ACDragonMaster really put it in terms most people can understand with his last post. Because i know that alot of people in the world today are not "true" Christians, but its nice to see that people are at least taking a shot, to get people understand what they are preaching... cough cough 
So the real thing is, if people can accept it how it is, or shot it down as another shot at trying to get people back into a hurting Christian culture  |
*laughs* The irony being that I explained it to make the point that those were not relevent scriptures to be cited in regards to a Christian company publishing "manga". But yeah, I figure that if you're gonna reference something like that, at least quote the text, if not make note of how you're reading it, since interpretations vary.
| Quote: | | If that was the case, why have a main character who is so resistant to Christianity? (She still "doesn't quite believe God exists," by Volume 3.) If they really wanted to be inspirational, they would focus more on the Prayer Club and less on Serenity herself. For example, they could show how the club deals with life's good and bad times in a Christian way. Instead, we're going to see a girl go from your average agnostic to a bible-thumper in six volumes. |
Many Christian teens, or non-Christian teens from Christian families or just in general, tend to have similar doubts and questions to the issues the main character's bringing up. It's written that way to try to make it relevent, or so I'd assume.
Still say Peretti's works would be a better example to go on for an effective style, though. I mean, c'mon, demons and angels at every turn? Battles between human and spiritual forces? Or how about a supernatural dragon terrorizing the area around a mountain town with a dark past? That's some fun stuff right there, and hey, even though scripture is included in his novels, it tends not to come off anywhere near as preachy.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:32 am
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| ACDragonMaster wrote: |
| Quote: | | If that was the case, why have a main character who is so resistant to Christianity? (She still "doesn't quite believe God exists," by Volume 3.) If they really wanted to be inspirational, they would focus more on the Prayer Club and less on Serenity herself. For example, they could show how the club deals with life's good and bad times in a Christian way. Instead, we're going to see a girl go from your average agnostic to a bible-thumper in six volumes. |
Many Christian teens, or non-Christian teens from Christian families or just in general, tend to have similar doubts and questions to the issues the main character's bringing up. It's written that way to try to make it relevent, or so I'd assume. |
I agree mostly there. I don't think it is trying to convert but to bring stray sheep back into the fold, like the sheppard. Besides the last place an Agnostic would look to seek shelter would be a church group gathering, unless it was a life threatening situation like a blizzard.
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Absurd Hero
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:09 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | Besides the last place an Agnostic would look to seek shelter would be a church group gathering, unless it was a life threatening situation like a blizzard. |
In the preview, she went to the prayer club meeting with the intention of messing with the Christian kids so much that they would stop bothering her about coming to church.
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Animefan16
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:56 pm
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I don't see the problem with this. It's not like they're saying that if you're not Christian, you'll go to hell.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:25 am
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| Absurd Hero wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Besides the last place an Agnostic would look to seek shelter would be a church group gathering, unless it was a life threatening situation like a blizzard. |
In the preview, she went to the prayer club meeting with the intention of messing with the Christian kids so much that they would stop bothering her about coming to church. |
Sorry? I thought she went there because she was locked out of her house in the cold with no coat, and shoes on and nowhere else to go. Did you read the same preview as me then?
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Absurd Hero
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:20 am
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | Sorry? I thought she went there because she was locked out of her house in the cold with no coat, and shoes on and nowhere else to go. Did you read the same preview as me then? |
I'm not sure which preview you read, but on page 3 it says "That's it! If I tick them off -- they'll never bug me again!" The reason you mention is valid too of course, but this is why she decided to go to the church instead of looking for somewhere else to seek shelter.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:50 pm
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| Absurd Hero wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Sorry? I thought she went there because she was locked out of her house in the cold with no coat, and shoes on and nowhere else to go. Did you read the same preview as me then? |
I'm not sure which preview you read, but on page 3 it says "That's it! If I tick them off -- they'll never bug me again!" The reason you mention is valid too of course, but this is why she decided to go to the church instead of looking for somewhere else to seek shelter. |
I read that as just her way of buffering herself from the preaching whilst getting warm. I still don't get where she went there to deliberately "mess" with the group like an attack. If it was it obviously didn't work.
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Absurd Hero
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:35 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | I read that as just her way of buffering herself from the preaching whilst getting warm. I still don't get where she went there to deliberately "mess" with the group like an attack. If it was it obviously didn't work. |
On the next page she specifically says, "I argued all night -- they'll never want me back!" Her dialogue very clearly tells me that she intended to tick the Christian kids off so they would leave her alone.
Ah well, it's obvious you're just not interpreting it the same way I am. C'est la vie.
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JETBLACK87
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:13 am
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| space clam wrote: | | I still think the Old Testament as a whole would make a great manga/anime |
It had been done long ago. Why not just license it? |
I saw this on EWTN. I guess they got the broadcast license.
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Baal Zebul
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:24 am
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Ugh...seeing this makes me want to play Noctourne again...
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:09 pm
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| Absurd Hero wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | I read that as just her way of buffering herself from the preaching whilst getting warm. I still don't get where she went there to deliberately "mess" with the group like an attack. If it was it obviously didn't work. |
On the next page she specifically says, "I argued all night -- they'll never want me back!" Her dialogue very clearly tells me that she intended to tick the Christian kids off so they would leave her alone.
Ah well, it's obvious you're just not interpreting it the same way I am. C'est la vie. |
The Free Preview seems to have dropped off. as it keeps coming up as an "error" message now.
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Absurd Hero
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:36 pm
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 am
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Thanks for that. I can see them now. I still think that was her way of getting into a warm place but buffering herself from the the idea that they might "convert" her but as the later pages show her resolve is not fractureless. Your statement said
| Quote: | | In the preview, she went to the prayer club meeting with the intention of messing with the Christian kids so much that they would stop bothering her about coming to church. |
Which to me was saying it was a dilberate attack, but on more comprehension I can see what you meant which is similar to what I was saying. She was being defensive not offensive so I believe we are sort of in phase now.
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