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Galap
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Well, games don't have to cost so much to make; look at indi games and the like. I think most of the costs go to the 3d animation, art, environments, physics, orchestration, voice acting. That's cool and all, but a game doesn't need it.
That's one thing I'm kind of disappointed about; with system power increasing, all the games want to use that power, and there are many great modern games, I feel that the old style of 8 or 16 bit 2d games had a lot going for it, and I wish we saw more throwbacks to it. |
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Animehermit
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I agree that you don't need those types of games, you don't need to spend a ton of money. But I still feel that Tripple A titles bring a lot to the table. And like half the indie games made today are throwbacks to older games. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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This has been said before, but I don't mind repeating it: Nintendo should just get out of the console market and focus on making games.
It seems to me that Nintendo is edging a little close to the dreaded Death Spiral. The death spiral occurs when you don't sell many units, so not as many games are made for the console, so fewer people buy the console because it doesn't have many games. Not a whole lot of people other than Nintendo are making games for Nintendo anymore, and that's hurting them more and more as time passes. If they went the Sega route and focused on making games for other platforms, I think they'd be better off in the long run. |
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Megiddo
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I say they should focus on the handheld market personally. Though obviously yes they should continue to develop their own games as well. We'll see how the Wii U will do. Maybe another rotation of Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Zelda will be enough for it to be profitable after all.
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Crispy45
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>_> Yep just like animation is a global market and if an anime sells like crap in America it's a dud. Nah. Japanese market is the only one that really matters for them. Plenty of Japanese games sell like balls in America >_> Half of 'em dont even get released here anymore. Sides, Nintendo games will sell either way so no big deal. Nintendo consoles are mainly for Nintendo games with maybe some Japanese third parties.
>_> Do you have any idea how many games don't get released in America? Maybe American games, but Japan seems to budget their games better. Phoenix Wright still gets made despite not all the games comin' out over here or Capcom giving a crap bout us. Namco seemed to be just fine not releasing half the Tales games here and only NOW bringing over Xillia. Dragon Quest doesn't look like to be getting much more localization here either despite bein Square's biggest cash cow in Japan. Plenty of Japanese games do fine without ever touching the US market so I think you should rethink your stance x_x
>_> They only publish those titles and they said those are bleeding money from them anyway
And nothing of value was lost. Japanese gamers aren't going to care about any of those.
Cept Nintendo consoles apparently since Mario outsells everything usually >_> EA not supporting the Wii-U and people who treat it as a big deal have no idea what Japan or the Nintendo market cares about. American market != Japanese Market. Wii-U is not going to succeed because it has Dragon Age or Plants VS Zombies. It'll all be about Mario and the usual stuff like the Wii and Gamecube. |
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Fencedude5609
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Its almost like you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Crispy45
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Explain why lots of Japanese companies makes lots of games that they don't care about exporting them then >_>
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ikillchicken
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So in summation:
-The Wii U's sales numbers are dismal and it has no 3rd party support...but 3rd party games don't matter. -More than 60% of Nintendo's sales come from overseas...but overseas sales don't matter. -The sky is blue...but >_> the sky is green. |
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Crispy45
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:3 Did you forget even you agreed all those 60% overseas sales were first party Nintendo titles so that isn't really a factor here? EA's stuff weren't killer apps on the Wii... even Monster Hunter sold better than Call of Duty did on the Wii which tells me the only third party games that matter will be other Japanese franchises Nintendo consoles are not the Xbox where CoD outsells all of Microsoft's first party stuff... which is only like only Halo since Microsoft has very few first party titles. >_> Nintendo has the strongest first party line up of any company so they don't need third party like another console might since its not like they'll ever sell as much as Mario does. Mario and Zelda have a better chance of moving the Wii-U than any of those games animehermit listed. Nintendo consoles have carved out their niche for Nintendo fans and have been since the N64 days x_x
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Mesonoxian Eve
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I can't stand EA, but only a fool makes a statement like this. EA is the largest producer of games. Not only does the parent company generate significant titles, but its subdivisions do as well. EA is also partners to other game studios, and will often publish for them. Japanese gamers wouldn't have a Nintendo console to play on if EA wasn't throwing them games on their handheld systems. Which, to this day, still remains Nintendo's primary source of revenue, and has been since the introduction of the [edit: DS, not Gameboy]. Despite the sales of the Wii, its handheld market still made more money. Don't take my word for it, though. Google will be your friend here. |
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enurtsol
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I'm just wondering. Since I own a Wii-U, I wonder if those who believe the Wii-U is doing fine even bought one?
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penguintruth
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The 3DS (of which I just got) seems to be doing a whole lot better. I lean more towards portable gaming these days, anyway, and while I still can't see the 3D effect for crap, the games are good.
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Rahxephon91
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I don't think Crispy undertstands this.
1st. We're clearly talking about the console market. 2nd. Which is now only about HD development which is pretty costly. So there's no runaway system that's cheaper to develop for(which surprisingly also had third parties drop off).
You keep saying this, but I mean the actions of these companies clearly don't match up. Why did Square port FFXIII to 360? Why does Atlus partake in multplatofm development? Why did a small developer like Grasshopper move away from the Wii to not just PS3, but also Xbox development. Why did Square buy a western company? Why did Fromsoftware move it's Soul Series to multiplatform and a more worldwide publisher?
And no they weren't bleeding money. The problem is that SE sit terribly high expectations for them when even their own games don't sell the 3million TR did. And I wonder why they needed those games to sell that much? It couldn't be they fumbled the heck out of FFXIV and their management is kind of screwy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games I think about less then 50 Japanese games never left Japan. Again stuff like an AK48 game, Gundam/robot wars, anime games, visual novels, Japanese centric thing like My Summer Vacation, and Baseball/Sports games. The two Yakuza games are probably the biggest things that didn't make it over here on the HD console side.
Except now it's worse. You have an outdated system that is'nt catching on with the mainstream and is going to be hard to get support because it won't even be able to get ports soon enough. How far are Nintendo games going to?
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ikillchicken
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You do realize that this "niche" has been shrinking ever since the SNES right? The N64 was handily outsold by the PS1 by more than a 3 to 1 margin and moved only a little over 30 Million units, a drop of 50% compared to the SNES' 60 million total. And the Gamecube? The Gamecube sold only about 20 Million units. It was utterly destroyed by the PS2 which outsold it 6 to 1. And despite all that, both those consoles had significantly better (if still bad) 3rd party support than the Wii U does. The idea that Nintendo can get by on it's "Nintendo niche" alone is completely antiquated. There simply are not enough people who will buy an entire home console system just for it's 1st party games. If Nintendo wants to compete they need to either catch on with the same casual audience that made the Wii a huge success or start reclaiming some of that 3rd party fanbase that Sony and Microsoft have increasingly owned the last few generations. |
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Mr Adventure
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Guys guys guys guys.
What if... Persona 5, Wii U exclusive. |
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