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NEWS: Viz Officially Announces Bleach Anime

Mohawk52 wrote:

The studios won't do it because they are afraid of back importing, but if they set it up so that it can only be bought from any Japanese shop, or on line store, that fear would be baseless.

The original suggestion was that Japanese studios put english subtitles on their R2 (Japanese) releases. I fail to see how Japanese R2 DVDs could be reverse imported into Japan.

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Doesn't Studio Ghibli do this? If they think it's worth it, why not the rest?

Ghibli recently did this with their Ghibli ga Ippai Collection, yes. Ghibli is also extremely different from the average anime company. Their movies can make well over 100 million at the box office. No other anime studio can claim the same. You're comparing a mass market company to niche market companies.

Gainax tried it a few years ago with FLCL, to my knowledge they haven't repeated the experiment since. Perhaps because they found it wan't worth it.

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The sooner the Japanese studios wake up to this the better their profit margin will be.

The option of putting foreign languages on DVDs is bluntly obvious. To think that the Japanese companies didn't think of this already is extremely naive. They've thought of it, and decided against it, probably after doing studies. They're companies, they do what helps their bottom line.

I can't tell you what specific reason they have for not doing it now. I can offer lots of conjecture. Perhaps they're waiting for a specific market condition, perhaps when they have DVDs that sell as many copies as Ghibli DVDs they will do it, perhaps they're waiting for the format wars to be regulated, perhaps they've concluded that it hurts licensing opportunities, perhaps...

I suspect, largely, because it isn't worth the trouble, they figure they'll make a few grand out of it, which is hardly worth the trouble of having a translator work on it for a few days, having a second translator ouble check the translation and having a DVD producer encode it. But that's just supposition on my part.

Perhaps they just couldn't get permission to do it from the other licensors. Why would Shueisha let Pierrot and the DVD publisher (not sure who releases the Bleach DVDs in Japan off the top of my head) put English subtitles on the DVDs when that product will compete directly with Viz's eventual release... Viz being a partial subsidiary of Shueisha.

Just guessing though...

My point is, that if it was worth it for them, they'd be doing it by now.

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The quality of the subtitles put out by many of the fansub groups is better then the quality of subs put out by the companies. Most of the companies use the same font that is surrounded by a thick black line which makes it hard to read. The companies also don’t do karaoke style songs, the good fansub groups do.

why does every 1 keep sayin if only geneon of funi or thank good 4kids didn't get it where's the love for ADV the biggest north american anime distrubeter?? If it was me I would always want ADV to get an anime I like there just the best in my opnion but anyway.

Because ADV is worse than Geneon/Funi and lies out of their ass about everything?

bayoab wrote:

Because ADV is worse than Geneon/Funi and lies out of their ass about everything?

Prove this comment or I'm deleting it. I want at least 5 instances where ADV has actually lied about something.

Zac wrote:

bayoab wrote: Because ADV is worse than Geneon/Funi and lies out of their ass about everything? Prove this comment or I'm deleting it. I want at least 5 instances where ADV has actually lied about something.

1) Denying having the rights to Kino no Tabi with their name in the credits. (Not neither confirm nor deny, but "we don't have it".)
2) Going back and forth on whether they had the rights to Super Gals S2 and finally admitting almost a year later they never had them in the first place.
3) ADV claimed to have a "big" mecha announcement at Otakon which never materialized. (Which actually later "materialized" but didn't. i.e. they claim to have said something they didn't say)
4) The Gantz "experiment" (Forgot how long it took for them to finally admit it did not go the way they wanted.)
5) Matt Greenfield's comment at multiple panels about how the Japanese industry was about to take initiative against fansubbers (almost over 2 years ago) which never materialized.
6) I haven't updated this in a long time but:
http://bayoab.info/100adv-v9-(01-01-05).html (Mirrored).
(Almost 100% of some seasons are licensed at this point, but this definitely meant it was not licensed in pre-production like ADV claims.)


(This is just off the top of my head and from my panel reports from 2004. I can keep going to 2003 and 2005 if you want more examples.)

bayoab wrote:

Zac wrote: bayoab wrote: Because ADV is worse than Geneon/Funi and lies out of their ass about everything? Prove this comment or I'm deleting it. I want at least 5 instances where ADV has actually lied about something. 1) Denying having the rights to Kino no Tabi with their name in the credits. (Not neither confirm nor deny, but "we don't have it".) 2) Going back and forth on whether they had the rights to Super Gals S2 and finally admitting almost a year later they never had them in the first place. 3) ADV claimed to have a "big" mecha announcement at Otakon which never materialized. (Which actually later "materialized" but didn't. i.e. they claim to have said something they didn't say) 4) The Gantz "experiment" (Forgot how long it took for them to finally admit it did not go the way they wanted.) 5) Matt Greenfield's comment at multiple panels about how the Japanese industry was about to take initiative against fansubbers (almost over 2 years ago) which never materialized. 6) I haven't updated this in a long time but: http://bayoab.info/100adv-v9-(01-01-05).html (Mirrored). (Almost 100% of some seasons are licensed at this point, but this definitely meant it was not licensed in pre-production like ADV claims.) (This is just off the top of my head and from my panel reports from 2004. I can keep going to 2003 and 2005 if you want more examples.)

None of these are 'lies'. These are all PR decisions. If the ink on the contract has not dried, you do not have the show. The Super Gals thing was widely known to be related to sales issues. The Japanese industry DID take a stance against fansubbers, as we saw with Media Factory. There are very plausible and very real reasons for all of these. That you don't know the whole story does not give you license to assume everyone is lying to you.

why does every 1 keep sayin if only geneon of funi or thank good 4kids didn't get it where's the love for ADV the biggest north american anime distrubeter?? If it was me I would always want ADV to get an anime I like there just the best in my opnion but anyway.

why do all the dub haters have to complain an complain 90% of the time I like dubs am not a dub hater but like i stated earlry I just don't like the naruto dub so instead of screaming and saying am gonna stick with the fansub blah blah am going o wait for the uncut box sets and buy em then and listen to the japanese audio track.

Zac wrote:

bayoab wrote: Zac wrote: bayoab wrote: Because ADV is worse than Geneon/Funi and lies out of their ass about everything? Prove this comment or I'm deleting it. I want at least 5 instances where ADV has actually lied about something. 1) Denying having the rights to Kino no Tabi with their name in the credits. (Not neither confirm nor deny, but "we don't have it".) 2) Going back and forth on whether they had the rights to Super Gals S2 and finally admitting almost a year later they never had them in the first place. 3) ADV claimed to have a "big" mecha announcement at Otakon which never materialized. (Which actually later "materialized" but didn't. i.e. they claim to have said something they didn't say) 4) The Gantz "experiment" (Forgot how long it took for them to finally admit it did not go the way they wanted.) 5) Matt Greenfield's comment at multiple panels about how the Japanese industry was about to take initiative against fansubbers (almost over 2 years ago) which never materialized. 6) I haven't updated this in a long time but: http://bayoab.info/100adv-v9-(01-01-05).html (Mirrored). (Almost 100% of some seasons are licensed at this point, but this definitely meant it was not licensed in pre-production like ADV claims.) (This is just off the top of my head and from my panel reports from 2004. I can keep going to 2003 and 2005 if you want more examples.) None of these are 'lies'. These are all PR decisions. If the ink on the contract has not dried, you do not have the show. The Super Gals thing was widely known to be related to sales issues. The Japanese industry DID take a stance against fansubbers, as we saw with Media Factory. There are very plausible and very real reasons for all of these. That you don't know the whole story does not give you license to assume everyone is lying to you.

Media factory happened long after the "two months" that it was going to happen in. There is no way to conclude that is even the one that he was talking about or if he was just trying to scare people. Admitting an experiment failed after claiming it succeded is a lie anyway you look at it. Gals could take an entire page of research for its history so I will concede that point. (I am aware of the AX 2005(?) quote "If gals thinpak sells, we will get the second season." I smirk knowing that Gals fans are probably screwed.)

Yes, some of the things that happen at ADV are PR decisions because the ink is not dry. Then there are those that are clearly not PR decisions and are because they talked about something that was not set in stone yet or was planned and never came to fruition. They then go ahead and deny ever saying them in the first place or silently never mention them again. The ADV con team may do 30 or 40 panels a year and forget every minor detail of what they said at these panels, but they have mentioned BIG things like a "series coming out simultaneously in the US and Japan" (It did not happen and was never mentioned again.).

I'll start laughing if the recording studio turns out to be Studiopolis or another LA studio because I tried to get Crispin Freeman to do a line from Bleach at the March Toronto Anime Covention but he declined.

By the way, while I was at MTAC, I got most of the guest VAs to try out some lines for Bleach.

The ones I liked most were Chris Sabat's and Luci Christian's.

I got Chris to do Jidanbou and Luci to do Yoruichi in human form.