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NEWS: New Anti-Piracy Act from U.S. Congress Leaked

Shale wrote:

John Casey wrote: Jetto wrote: If you want to watch unlicensed stuff that bad then move to Japan. Otherwise, stop QQing. It is not your God-given right to watch unlicensed anime. EDIT: or licensed anime, for that matter... *illicitly streams some animu from some shady site* Whaddya know. I just did it. Of my own free will. So, I guess it IS god-given. So anything it's physically possible for you to do is a God-given right? Does that include stabbing people? (The above is not intended to imply that media piracy and assault are similar except inasmuch as they are (a) not particularly nice things to do and (b) still humanly possible)

except the fact that when you stab someone, no doubt, there is damage that happened.

fudge you america, the only reason I've been able to finish a lot of shows I've wanted to see is because of these illegal sites.

except the fact that when you stab someone, no doubt, there is damage that happened.

(The above is not intended to imply that media piracy and assault are similar except inasmuch as they are (a) not particularly nice things to do and (b) still humanly possible)

Ermat_46 wrote:

Shale wrote: John Casey wrote: Jetto wrote: If you want to watch unlicensed stuff that bad then move to Japan. Otherwise, stop QQing. It is not your God-given right to watch unlicensed anime. EDIT: or licensed anime, for that matter... *illicitly streams some animu from some shady site* Whaddya know. I just did it. Of my own free will. So, I guess it IS god-given. So anything it's physically possible for you to do is a God-given right? Does that include stabbing people? (The above is not intended to imply that media piracy and assault are similar except inasmuch as they are (a) not particularly nice things to do and (b) still humanly possible) except the fact that when you stab someone, no doubt, there is damage that happened.

And someone stealing from another person isn't damage? You realize anime/manga/movies are still businesses. financial damage is still damage. These people have to make money in order to continue doing what they do. I'll take his analogy and make it more fitting. So if I went up and stole the project you just spent a year creating (and from which you receive your income) from your house and didn't pay you a cent for it, no damage was done? And then what if everyone else came by and stole copies of it from him too. Still no damage? And it's okay because we possess the right to view anything created before buying it anyway?

The digital content business website PaidContent.org reported on Wednesday that the contents of a new anti-piracy act being drafted by the United States Congress have been leaked.

"Blind buying" is what you do for almost ANYTHING you get. I see the trailer for a movie, it looks good, I go pay to see it. Anime is no different. You don't inherently possess the right to view an entire product (which people use to make a LIVING and provide for a family) and THEN decide whether you want to buy it. Because you've already gotten the full experience of it. It's not like it's going to be any different the second time you watch it. Even then, you could just load up that AVI file and give it another go. Movie pirating is ridiculous. I know a lot of you say you watch a series then if you like it you buy it, and I'm the same way. But for everyone like me, I know 5+ guys who aren't the same way, who never pay a cent for media. They watch every movie that comes out, every anime series they can find, read scans online of licensed material, and never buy a single item in support of the industry or the creators. I don't see anyone complaining that they have to pay for a movie ticket BEFORE they see the movie. You don't get to eat the entire meal before you decide whether or not to buy it. No one seems to be complaining that they have to commit to buying the meal they're about to eat BEFORE they get to eat it. Some places are kind enough to give you a sample to try before you buy it. Just like trailers. So you've got an idea what you're getting into. It's not blind buying. It's what people have done for years and years and years before online piracy was even an option.

A lot of you who are in favor of piracy are looking at it from a selfish perspective. Think about the guys and girls making the stuff. That's how they feed their kids. Yes, you should have to pay for the right to view their artwork. You shouldn't be allowed to view an anime series before buying it, just like you shouldn't be able to watch a movie before deciding whether you want to pay for the ticket. So yes, one would expect someone to "blind buy" (although it's honestly never that blind because people watch trailers, or read reviews of it so they have a good idea of what they're getting when they throw down the $$$) entertainment products. It's not as "blind" as you seem to think it is. But if people don't get paid for their work, they can't make a living from it, and then the work stops and no one has anything to watch, legally or otherwise. Anime is a business. And as others have already pointed out, the notion that piracy =/= lost sales is speculative, but it stands to reason that in many cases it actually does. For as many people there are like those of us who make purchases after seeing a series on television or that we downloaded, there are a lot more who don't, and majority is what makes business go. They download the music, put it on their ipod, and that's that. They download the anime, they watch it, it's on their HD forever. Why pay for it, you've already got it. That's the general attitude. It's selfish, and it does, in fact, hurt sales. The problem isn't just piracy, it's how big it's gotten. It's the whole internet culture. It's so EASY to pirate the stuff, so now it's not some underground thing. It's EVERYONE doing it that's hurting the industries (anime/manga, movies, music). It's so common now days. That's just how people get their stuff. They download it. It's free and they don't have to leave their house to do it.

Wrong model. You're comparing anime to movies when anime should be compared to a television series. For television a person is allowed to see the entire series before they pay for the DVDs. However since we can't watch Japanese television over here we use rips.

Is it still 2005 where you live? Cause in the rest of the world it's 2011 and at least 90% of the anime that is released in R1 is also streamed for free or at worst, for a cheap monthly subscription. This argument you're making may have held some water at least in some individual cases in the past but it's now nothing but a false dilemma. Gone are the days where you had to choose between piracy and blind buying.

I don't get what the big deal is. People will continue to make fansubs, and I will continue to download them. What happenes in America is of no concern to anyone but americans, or people who have their sites on American servers.

If you want to watch unlicensed stuff that bad then move to Japan. Otherwise, stop QQing. It is not your God-given right to watch unlicensed anime.

Five pages of commentary and the most important aspect of this bill is overlooked: The contents were leaked.

This means a democratic congress introduced a bill in secrecy.

This means a democratic congress motioned the bill in secrecy.

Five pages of commentary and the most important aspect of this bill is overlooked: The contents were leaked.

This means a democratic congress introduced a bill in secrecy.

This means a democratic congress motioned the bill in secrecy.

None of which is covered under an act of war.

Yet piracy is the issue?

Perhaps it is just me who hasn't seen a single news article written indicating businesses have shut down because of piracy.

Probably because they're buried between all those record-breaking sales news articles I keep seeing pop up everywhere.