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NEWS: Miyazaki's The Wind Rises to Open in U.S. in February With Dub & Subs

The fact that pointing out that movie's script flaws leads the Tumblr crowd to start calling you sexist is really irritating. It isn't a good or even very memorable film.

your argument that the academy only nominates "kiddy" films holds no water because they have explored darker and more mature films in the past.

The Wind Rises is more of a "family film" than that.

I doubt you'll ever see an adult Satoshi Kon film win out over a kiddy Disney or Pixar film in an American award category..

That being said Gatsu sounds like one of those weeaboos that refuses to acknowledge that anyone but Wonderland Japan can make quality animated films.

So what exactly makes Shark Tale, Surf's Up, and Jimmy Neutron "worthy" of being nominated?

Just one film a couple years ago that counts as darker and more mature. Everything else is trying to be edgy, but still "safe".

I have yet to see the film, but judging by one of the trailers, I do not see what part of tuberculosis or a depiction of a disastrous quake only two years after Fukushima is fun for the whole family. Even by Japanese tragedy porn standards, that's probably asking a lot from audiences accustomed to the likes of Totoro and Laputa.

The academy thought they were good films.

I love Jimmy Neutron. It's a funny, unique, and entertaining film, and for it's time, had great animation.

But even if only one non-family film gets nominated, it still means they aren't stuck doing kiddie films.

It just means that films made primarily for kids are far more common,

and since only 3-5 films are nominated, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for non-Dreamworks or Pixar films, since the latter two are shoe-ins for better or worse.

While it's not as much a "family" film as Totoro, Spirited Away, or Kiki's Delivery Service (especially Kiki), I think kids and adults could get something out of it, and I don't think there's any obscene content.

If you think Persepolis is a family film, then The Wind Rises certainly should be too. I would certainly show my kids The Wind Rises before Persepolis.

BS. Shark Tale had bad reviews, and almost no ticket buyer even remembers Jimmy Neutron and Surf's Up.

But was it as good as Rintaro and Otomo's Metropolis?

Yeah, just mostly stuck voting on kiddie films.

No, it just means they're deliberately ignoring or snubbing the films which aren't made for kids. [See Waltz with Bashir.]

Which basically supports my argument that they rig the awards in their favor.

From what I've heard, kids were bored by it, and there's so much cigarette porn in it that even the Japanese viewers were uncomfortable with it.

I didn't say it was a family film, only that it was "safe" for family viewing.

Like I have mentioned TIME and TIME again, they have nominated films NOT made for kids.

but it doesn't mean they're a shoe-in, nor does it mean the Academy has a strange alleged bias toward "kiddie" films.

Yes, but the film is still fine as a "family" film regardless if every kid likes it...

And there's nothing wrong with smoking in movies. I'm not a smoker, and never intend on being one, but I admit that there's definitely a style to it (but I'm biased since I'm a classic movie fan, where I see smoking all the time).

Yes, but because it's NOT a family film, that DOES mean it's NOT a "kiddie" film.

They nominated one film not made for kids. That is the exception to the rule.

True, but it generally is favored in that direction.

But it's not really a family film, because the topic is clearly something which would only appeal to techies and history buffs, if Miyazaki wasn't the director.

Again, this is more smoking than even the Japanese are used to seeing in film. And for them, it's a public health issue, so...

It looks like the Persian answer to Daria. So while it might skew a little older, it's still going for the generic cartoon look which is "safe" for kids to watch. If it was styled in any way like Bashir, it would be shunned.

First of all, they did not nominate just one film not for kids (we've established that Persepolis is also not for kids)

Do they MOSTLY nominate kid films? Yes, but does that really mean anything for non-kiddie films? Absolutely not.

Because almost all animated films ARE made for kids.

Given how popular and successful the film is in Japan, I find that hard to believe...

Although the Japanese are big-time smokers, where the habit is RISING.

And Daria was appropriate for kids?

It was rated PG-13 for "mature thematic material including violent images, sexual references, language and brief drug content". Yeah you would totally show your 7-year old daughter that.

It's made for older kids, but still kids.

It means enough.

No, almost all animated films here are made for kids.

It's successful, because Miyazaki said he was going to retire, and because he baited the nationalists on 2ch who decided to troll him in public. Before that, it was trailing Ponyo.

Actually, from what I understand, the younger generation is trying to cut back.

Compared to most things on MTV, yes.

Well, they watch the same thing on The Simpsons, so what's the difference?

It's made for an arthouse audience, not kids at all.

Even if it WAS made for older kids, it would still not be considered a "family" film.

And what does the academy mostly nominate? AMERICAN films. In ALL categories. They have a foreign language category for non-English-language films. While foreign films aren't limited to it, it's just a fact that the academy mostly recognizes AMERICAN films.

I highly doubt a message board having anything to do with the film being a huge hit. The film is a hit. That's a fact. You're just trying to say otherwise for the sake of argument.

Even if it was more child-friendly than anything else on MTV, it was not a kid's show by any stretch of the imagination, certainly not a "family" show or worse, a "kiddie" show.

But it's targeting the kid audience, not the arthouse audience.

But it's still not a "mature" film, either.

They nominate foreign films in other categories, but generally only the European ones.

It's a hit now. It was a disappointment a few months ago.

Daria dealt with the same after-school special stuff as any live-action show. It's just animated.

What, Persepolis? Persepolis was most definitely NOT targeting the kid audience.

Given that it deals with pretty dark themes, especially the stuff with Iran, I would definitely call it "mature". You clearly have not seen the film.

It helps that they were released here by Disney, and are far more mainstream than most foreign animated films.

While it didn't make as much as Ponyo (which did have broader appeal), it still did impressive.

It was appealing toward a teenage and young-adult audience, but it was not a "kiddie" show.

So the emphasis in the trailers on the girl's social life is just coincidence.

Ok, I'll cop to not having seen it. But for a film which deals with dark themes, it seems like a light-hearted take on them which is, again, totally different from the likes of Bashir.

So you're agreeing with me that they're family and/or general-audience friendly, which is a main reason they're able to get in.

It did within expectations for a Miyazaki Ghibli film, but it was initially not as big as his other movies.

It's about on par with The Secret Life of the American Teenager, which is considered an ABC Family show.

The category wasn't around when Grave of the Fireflies or Princess Mononoke came out.

Yes, but it still did well overall. Rolling Eyes

First of all, Secret Life wasn't around when Daria was on.

The only reason "Family" is in their name is because it's required in ABC's original contract with Pat Robertson