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Meygaera
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$1,000 licensing fee for most unpopular stuff per episode? What exactly does that license entail, physical release of that episode, streaming? both? What were the precedents you based that $1,000 off of.
Not trying to be nazi here but I'm really interested because I am a Chihayafuru fanboy and I was just trying to estimate a good kickstarter goal here. 
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doc-watson42
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The only point I can think of to watching anime on VHS instead of DVD is because that's the only format in which it is available, as Gilles (and others) point out:
For a list of such, please see my Catalog Check Update and Supplement. (I need to repost that somewhere else, but not today.) I still have about a hundred VHS tapes in my "real" collection, never mind those that are languishing in my basement and dining room, waiting to be found a new home. (Also so that I can salvage some of the NexPak Amaray Alive plastic sleeve cases, as I didn't get enough when they were available.) As for Media Blasters, VHS, and hentai, they started out with their Kitty Media label—see Fred Patten's "The Anime 'Porn' Market" (link 1/link 2; Animation World Magazine, Issue 3.4, July 1998) for more information on this. |
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k_dawg_3484
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Yeah, that one makes me sad. With the advent of Google Glass, I was kind of hoping this show might get some attention again, since that's basically what it's about. I'd absolutely buy it. Kaiba's another one. Oh, it's quite experimental, despite being one of the most emotionally beautiful shows I've seen. I'm hoping that with Masaaki Yuasa gaining some attention and stature because of Kick-Heart, that maybe someday we'll see a Kaiba release. |
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k_dawg_3484
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Is Nodame Cantabile still in licensing hell? That one confuses me. Sony apparently produced a dub for the first season, but nobody's picked it up for distributing discs? The first season and the 2nd+3rd seasons' rights are held by different companies, right? Has there been any progress on that weird deadlock? What a shame. A lot of work went into that show.
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Maidenoftheredhand
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Dennou Coil is one of my most wanted licenses (well that and Mononoke). When I see things from around the same time: like Lovely Complex, Kurenai, and Michiko & Hatchin get picked up but not these other two, it hurts my soul a little bit. I at least know companies have tried for Dennou Coil, but I never understood how Australia could get it (and Mononoke) but not the US. Besides NISA, Siren Visual has to be one of my favorite licensing companies. Too bad they aren't a US company. lol |
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k_dawg_3484
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Dubbing LOGH would be the biggest anime licensing disaster ever, I think. It's a brilliant show, but there are soooo many complicated names, and a lot of narration. However, that makes it perfect for a sub-only release. I know it's considered unlicensable, but I actually wrote Discotek anyways to suggest it to them. They were the ones that finally brought the original green-jacket Lupin series to these shores. It was a great release with tons of interviews and interesting information from Lupin scholars and fans. They could go nuts doing all that stuff with LOGH to add value to the discs. To me, they're probably the only company over here with the right attitude to even attempt going after LOGH. They're filling a niche: older shows, sub-only to make it affordable. We need to support them. What's interesting, though, is that this is a show for adults. I think even my dad, who has zero interest in anime, would probably like it. Adults have money; high schoolers don't. It'd be an interesting marketing challenge to go straight for the older demographic that definitely wouldn't pay $2000 for 162 episodes + the movies, but might pay up to $300-500 for that. Bring the price into a reasonable range and you might be able to find the increase in sales to make it all work out. I talked with Greg Ayers a lot at a small panel about the industry at AnimeFest recently. He's pretty happy with the way things are looking now that there are multiple revenue streams for anime instead of just disc sales. He said the biggest impediment is still the intransigence of the Japanese licensors, which seems to be confirmed in this thread. However, he actually said that if things continue to move in the direction they are, especially with all the streaming options, that even, quote "even Legend of the Galactic Heroes might get a release some day." I cheered. |
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k_dawg_3484
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2003 is just ages ago, I just don't see how a four-month poll, probably not very well publicized could have worked back then. There could have actually been 1500 people in this 300,000,000 person country willing to go in on that back then, but I doubt a lot of people knew about it. Today, however, is completely different. Run some sort of Kickstarter or equivalent to raise money and show actual money-backed interest in the show's release, and I just wonder what you'd see. Simple awareness would be probably be at least a hundred fold greater than that 2003 poll with today's internet. They could get contributions at all levels. I bet they'd blow away 1500x$2000 as long as they didn't stick to those ridiculous prices . I see no reason why crowd-funding couldn't be used extensively to answer the definitive question "Is there enough interest (real interest) to license <insert>?" You're even already seeing it in small quantities. You're seeing older shows get crowd-funded for DVD releases on Anime Sols, although I cannot believe how poorly marketed that website is. (The ANN article on it didn't even say what it did.) Still, I have hope. Give me a few streaming eps of LOGH, and I'll fund the living crap out of it. |
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penguintruth
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Lupin III was 23 episodes long. LoGH, as I've mentioned, is 110 episodes long. It's a much more time-and-effort-intensive investment.
Even hypothetically, they'd have to release it in several sets for it to be a viable purchase. |
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Shaterri
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I can't speak to Tranzor Z (and may be biased here), but I think you're substantially underestimating how big Battle of the Planets was - it really *was* Voltron Before Voltron, and at least in my formative years, Battle of the Planets/'G-Force' was the show that everyone knew (it didn't hurt that it was so wildly different from all the cookiecutter American work of the time, mostly H-B and Ruby-Spears). That's not to say that the intersection of that nostalgia fandom with people who are still in anime fandom and likely to be hip to the new releases is that big - but I expect a fair number of 40somethings to jump on BotP, and certainly there are enough that it's a not-unreasonable gamble. |
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KabaKabaFruit
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I like how you use the term "old" in the same context as "classic" when in fact, the context of either connotation is expressed differently. |
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Shiroi Hane
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It's already been mentioned in this thread - it had a champion at Siren who was a personal fan of the title and worked long and hard to get it. Either no-one in the US was willing to go to those lengths for one title, or it also helped that Australia doesn't have the same high profile as the US so they could talk them down on price.
I don't think it is as much in 'hell' as in the hands of Sony (for the first series at least, which is on Crackle however) who just aren't releasing it. I believe the dub was done for Animax, like a number of other English dubs never heard in any of the obvious places (like, say, England). |
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Yoda117
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As much as I'd love to see a dub (simply due to the challenge it would be to the industry), you're totally right. I shudder to think of the $ I've spent for the LDs and DVDs on this series (and the mountains of production cels and artwork I've collected over the years), and in spite of all that, I'd still pay to see LoGH as licensed title streamed in the US. |
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