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ReverseTitan



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:39 am Reply with quote
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
I have to admit, when I found out that some of the earlier anime (Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc.) shows were heavily edited, I was a bit disheartened, at least not until I understood how many of them pretty much hindered the storyline.
I wonder what was the reception of the seiyuu that worked with these massively edited shows?


They don't care either way, from what I've gathered. It's like Robin Williams going out of his way to praise/deride Koichi Yamadera for the bang up job he did in the 1993 Japanese dub of Aladdin. No, they don't care. It has no effect on them. I've heard that Naoko Takeuchi barred the last Sailor Moon season from being aired outside Mexico since Sailor Moon was butchered around the world, not just the States, believe it or not. That's most likely a rumor, but I dunno. I also heard she is not a fan of redubs or dubs at all of Sailor Moon.
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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:21 am Reply with quote
jr0904 wrote:


NJ_ wrote:


Saban also has PreCure as well, this was confirmed by multiple sources including Sam Pinansky (from Anime Sols) on this very forum.


OH GOD NO! Considering how popular Precure is in the otaku community , if saban does a massive hack job , the outcry would be even worse than what 4kids got.



To be fair, there really shouldn't be anything that needs a "hack job" considering how remarkably clean the series is in terms of dialogue and scenes overall. I can't even recall one piece of dialogue or scene that would even be considered objectionable. The most changes I can see happening are the names, the theme songs, and few cuts for time constraints.

The only thing that baffles me in the whole editing anime business thing is why is there a need to change the background music?
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Cptn_Taylor



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:28 am Reply with quote
Clyde_Cash wrote:
4Kids: Why are boobs, guns, violence, and cuss words a stigma on American TV and kids' shows? Why? I don't understand it! Who the hell decided those things had to be taboo? We live in the real world, and in the real world, those things exist. They cannot be erased. Kids can learn to handle these things if you'd let them.

And fudge the FCC! They're an unconstitutional body that violates the First Amendment! They have no right to crack down on such content and they never will. People watched Bugs Bunny cartoons with guns, alcohol, and tobacco in them and it was funny. What happened to us as a society that we could tolerate such things on TV then but not now? What went wrong?

Swedish kids' shows have the "worst" swears unbleeped and nobody bats an eye. Why can't we be like Sweden in that regard?



Americans love violence, they are a violent society. It's just that they decide under what circumstances to show violence.
Violent movies shown in the theater ? Ok.
Violent movies and sex shown in the theaters ? Ok
Violent animes shown in the theaters ? Ok
Violence, foul words, and sex and smoke on teen shows on tv ? No, absolutely not.
But you can buy real guns as easily as buying a cup of coffee in the US.

Can you imagine a comedy show airing on prime time right before 20:00 and a mostly nude dancer dancing for all to see (wearing only a thong) on US tv ? Shocker you say, impossible you say. And yes it is impossible for the US even to this day, and yet such a show aired on public tv in France during the mid to late eighties every single day. Laughing

Can you imagine that in Italy anime went on tv completely uncensored for a good many years before "parent movements" started getting involved ? Take a look at Hurricane Polymar, a seventies anime show. That thing has such a level of violence (and it's a kids show for pete's sake) that it wouldn't even be allowed to be broadcast over american airwaves. And even UK airwaves.

There you have it. Different countries have different levels of expectations when it comes to dealing with violence and sex and other moral issues. And the rules most of times are contradictory.

And just to be clear even Japan has censorship. You think that anime could go on tv even in the good old days without any problem ? Think again, Cutey Honey the original tv series was taken off the air because Japanese parents complained about the level of "sexiness". So even your fantasy-ideal land of Japan is not immune to "censoring" anime. The only difference with the US and other countries is what they decide to censor not if they decide to censor and artistic integrity be damned.
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SahgoDN



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:33 am Reply with quote
Chagen46 wrote:
SahgoDN wrote:

Oh. Sorry, I didn't know that.

That is incredibly saddening.

Oh no, a kid's anime is being dubbed as a kid's show!

THE HORROR

Sorry, I should've explained myself better. I don't have a problem with a kid's anime being dubbed as a kid's show -- I have a problem with Saban doing that. I hate the way they do things. Ignoring their "necessary censorship to get the show on air" (which, by itself, is debatable), all their little "retouches" tick me off to no end. Their unnecessarely altered background music? Sounds awful. Characters pointlessly speaking when no dialogue was spoken in the original? Deplorable. Terrible jokes ad-libbed whenever possible because "kids would lose interest otherwise"? No. It's just... I don't wish that upon any show, be it a kid's show or not.

Plus, "Glitter Force". ..."Glitter Force". Seriously?
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PurpleWarrior13



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:37 pm Reply with quote
ReverseTitan wrote:
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
I have to admit, when I found out that some of the earlier anime (Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc.) shows were heavily edited, I was a bit disheartened, at least not until I understood how many of them pretty much hindered the storyline.
I wonder what was the reception of the seiyuu that worked with these massively edited shows?


They don't care either way, from what I've gathered. It's like Robin Williams going out of his way to praise/deride Koichi Yamadera for the bang up job he did in the 1993 Japanese dub of Aladdin. No, they don't care. It has no effect on them. I've heard that Naoko Takeuchi barred the last Sailor Moon season from being aired outside Mexico since Sailor Moon was butchered around the world, not just the States, believe it or not. That's most likely a rumor, but I dunno. I also heard she is not a fan of redubs or dubs at all of Sailor Moon.


Both are rumors. Redubs HAVE occurred in The Philippines, South Korea, and Thailand in the last year. In Italy, they could have redubbed Sailor Moon, but the licensing company says they could not afford it.

Sailor Stars has been licensed and dubbed in every language that got the other seasons except for French, English, and Hungarian. For us, we got the S and SuperS seasons pretty late, and by the time the licensors were interested in Stars, the series was already being put in moratorium internationally and all the licenses were expiring. Toei was simply not licensing any more Sailor Moon. They could have easily localized that season by making the Starlights all female. Other dubs of it have done that.
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LUNI_TUNZ



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:35 pm Reply with quote
[quote="PurpleWarrior13"]
Clyde_Cash wrote:
It's also why shows like Sailor Moon had to have the stupid PSAs at the end of each episode (Jill Frappier, one of the writers and voice actors, admitted to hating working on them).


Do you have a link to this? I'd like to read/watch where she said this.

It's pretty blatantly obvious the amount of discontent they had for them, if you watch about half of them, as they make no damn sense, but if possible I'd still like to see this. Also, through the middle of season two they just repeated them.

PurpleWarrior13 wrote:
They could have easily localized that season by making the Starlights all female. Other dubs of it have done that.


Then how would they explain how all the girls were so manic over them?

Also, let's not act like "Pretty Cure" isn't as equally a dumb name as "Glitter Force".
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:20 pm Reply with quote
^But "Pretty Cure" is the dumb name we're used to. Wink

That said, "Precure" is nice and meaningless if you don't know the derivation, so I'm not sure why they felt the need to completely rename the franchise.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:08 pm Reply with quote
ReverseTitan wrote:

I've heard that Naoko Takeuchi barred the last Sailor Moon season from being aired outside Mexico since Sailor Moon was butchered around the world, not just the States, believe it or not. That's most likely a rumor, but I dunno. I also heard she is not a fan of redubs or dubs at all of Sailor Moon.


That's a lot of bull. As a young relatively no-name artist then, Sailor Moon was her first (and still so far only) big hit, manufactured by big backers to be a phenomenon from the get-go. She was all over the world riding its popularity. She owes a lot of her current stature now to all that.


Cptn_Taylor wrote:

Can you imagine a comedy show airing on prime time right before 20:00 and a mostly nude dancer dancing for all to see (wearing only a thong) on US tv ?


On Hispanic TV, it could. Very Happy


Polycell wrote:
^But "Pretty Cure" is the dumb name we're used to. Wink

That said, "Precure" is nice and meaningless if you don't know the derivation, so I'm not sure why they felt the need to completely rename the franchise.


Like "Pokemon." Laughing
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kevinx59



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:53 pm Reply with quote
jr0904 wrote:


Also when in the hell did Konami got the license for the yugioh anime series? i know they exclusively have the license for the TCGs , but didn't NAS and TV Tokyo reclaimed the anime series from 4kids during that lawsuit they served on 4kids when they were still showing 5D's?.
Last year I believe animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-06-26/4kids-sells-yu-gi-oh-cw-network-related-assets-jointly-to-konami-kidsco
jr0904 wrote:
I know that much cause i buy those japanese DVDs via import
I heard online that only a few Pokemon episodes are actually released on dvd in Japan. A search on amazon Japan also comes out with very little in terms of Pokemon on home video aside from the films and region 1 dvds. How were you able to get them? and just out of curiosity what company releases them?
darkchibi07 wrote:


The only thing that baffles me in the whole editing anime business thing is why is there a need to change the background music?
I've always wondered about this too. Is it because the companies can't get the rights for the music and sound effects? Do the companies think that american children will be confused by the original Japanese music? that they are not used to it, and it is too different from what is heard in American shows? hmm maybe I should send this question to answerman.
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Jen Bigby



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:58 pm Reply with quote
LUNI_TUNZ wrote:
Also, let's not act like "Pretty Cure" isn't as equally a dumb name as "Glitter Force".


But Pretty Cures are what they are, and they all have Cure in their name. It would be like calling Digimon Creature Force. And Glitter Force just makes me think of some throwaway Hasbro girl property. But I guess its a better name than the racist "Gangnam Girls" they were going with originally. Confused

darkchibi07 wrote:
To be fair, there really shouldn't be anything that needs a "hack job" considering how remarkably clean the series is in terms of dialogue and scenes overall. I can't even recall one piece of dialogue or scene that would even be considered objectionable. The most changes I can see happening are the names, the theme songs, and few cuts for time constraints.


I wouldn't be so sure on that. It's a given the names and music will be replaced, and I could see them turning the girls into Valley Girl stereotypes and talking in slang. Their transformation scenes would also be heavily edited I think. Censorship has gotten REALLY bad these last few years. Just look at how bad Digimon Fusion and Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal are censored. Any skirt/shorts that's above the knee is digitally lengthened and any shirt that exposes bare shoulders is altered. The girls civilian and Cure outfits would be pretty altered.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:31 pm Reply with quote
Jen Bigby wrote:
Just look at how bad Digimon Fusion and Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal are censored. Any skirt/shorts that's above the knee is digitally lengthened and any shirt that exposes bare shoulders is altered. The girls civilian and Cure outfits would be pretty altered.

Aw, man, I would think that, after all these years, these unnecessary edits would finally stop, but it seems that I thought too soon.
Seriously now, all that editing just for the reason that they didn't like how the outfits looked?
It seems that some of the people within Konami and Saban have an overwhelmingly strict taste in fashion design for some reason...
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SahgoDN



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:20 pm Reply with quote
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The only thing that baffles me in the whole editing anime business thing is why is there a need to change the background music?
I've always wondered about this too. Is it because the companies can't get the rights for the music and sound effects? Do the companies think that american children will be confused by the original Japanese music? that they are not used to it, and it is too different from what is heard in American shows? hmm maybe I should send this question to answerman.


(First of all, yes, do send it! It's a great question).

I've heard two possible reasons as to why. The first being that background music helps the licensing company to get some extra cash. For example, the 4Kids version of Yu-Gi-Oh! was distributed worldwide to be dubbed over, with their censorship and altered dialogues and whatnot... and music. Apparently, when selling their version to other countries, they would get royalties for their music; if they kept the Japanese BGMs, all that money would go to the Japanese producers. And we wouldn't want that, right? *evil laugh*

The second is simple "old executives thinking they know what kids like" mentality. They think the original Japanese score is too...Japanese, too "cute" or too "symphonical" or whatever; and US kids don't like that! Oh no, they clearly like dem those electric beats, guitars, techno drums, etc, etc.

Also, rescoring a show makes it easier to manipulate the footage (cut, snip, swap scenes).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:24 pm Reply with quote
Bratz aren't being edited.
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Jave



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:03 am Reply with quote
Jen Bigby wrote:
Any skirt/shorts that's above the knee is digitally lengthened and any shirt that exposes bare shoulders is altered. The girls civilian and Cure outfits would be pretty altered.


So much for Sailor Moon 2014 appearing on TV Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:16 am Reply with quote
jr0904 wrote:

yea i never liked the fake southern accent, but its as i said, would take her take as robin over Stephanie young.
I enjoyed Stephanie Young's role as Robin since she has the perfect sexy tone of voice for the character. She even praises Robin as one of her favorite characters to voice:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Stephanie-Young/

jr0904 wrote:
also Green's take as dragon is a lot more menacing over the funi version.
Dan Green was good as Dragon, I also liked Bryan Massey's role on the character only cause he's also done the voice of Oolong for the Dragon Ball anime that doesn't have Brad Jackson.
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