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Anthony.P
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I just realized it's been nine years since I started following Viz's release of Case Closed! My, does time fly...still one of my favorite series!
This has always been one of their sloppier translation works, though. The actual translation itself is fine, but it's typical to spot a major error in nearly every volume (most notably volume 14, which at one point has half a character's dialogue in Japanese!) |
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Gasero
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The Americanization of Detective Conan was really annoying. Why go through the trouble of importing something from Japanese culture if you are going to erase the Japanese from it?
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jr240483
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true enough , but its still a decent manga. but SERIOUSLY??? both viz and funi went chicken @$$ about keeping the original japaneese title cause the creators of Conan the Barbarian filed a stupid lawsuit?? How dumb is that , when for one thing , BOTH CHARACTERS ARE NOTHING ALIKE!!!! As I said so stupid. they should have challenged it and i would have bet any smart judge would dismissed their ( Conan the Barbarian's license holders ) claims of coppyright. hopefully if Viz ever does the Big edition they would at least change all of the characters names that got americanized to their original japaneese names especially the main character, cause to be frank jimmy sounds kinda dumb if you ask me. |
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Touma
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It was not a copyright issue. "Conan" is a registered trademark of Paradox Entertainment. If I understand correctly that means that nobody can use "Conan" in a title without getting permission from Paradox, and probably paying for it. Viz probably did not think that it would be worth the cost. And really, how many more copies of the books would they have sold if "Detective Conan" was on the cover instead of "Case Closed"?
That I definitely agree with. The only thing that I really do not like about the Viz manga and the Funimation anime are the name changes and the way that they tried to make it look like the show was set in the US. It would not have been quite so bad if they had been able to make it believable, but there were just way too many things that did not fit in that scenario. |
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TheAncientOne
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It is likely they could have successfully challenged that the trademark applied, but as court cases aren't free of cost (to understate the matter), it simply wouldn't be worth it. A bit more on trademark and titles, for those with a bit of time to kill: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/textacademicpodcast/2011/03/09/understanding-trademarks-book-titles |
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geopgeop
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Since we're discussing names here, it should also be noted where the name "Edogawa Rampo" was originally taken from: Edgar Allan Poe.
*cue "Ohhhhh...." moment here* |
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The Mask
 Posts: 90 Location: Philippines |
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I'm a Detective Conan fan for over a decade already, and I'm really thrilled to see a feature for this series here in ANN. It also seems fitting that this feature was released this month, when the series is about to celebrate its 20th anniversary.
Here are my thoughts:
I think Ms. Garrity really hit the mark with this particular quote. I've tried reading other detective stories after becoming a fan of Detective Conan. But as you mentioned, this one is really unique in having such an unique yet charming mix of cartoonish art and graphic violence. This is what's admirable about Aoyama's work in Detective Conan, and it's an art style that I hope to emulate in the future.
I've heard this story several times, and I can't help but get angry at this. The idea that a comic publisher can actually extend so much of its licensing rights for the name "Conan", to the point that it can even stop an unrelated series with "Conan" in its title, is just irritating, selfish, and annoying for me. But I guess the problem isn't so much about the title alone. The fact that so much of the names of the characters had been changed has been a source of frustration for me as well. If the issue was really with the Conan the Barbarian copyright, then why did the names have to be changed? I once read that the Japanese licensing companies in charge of the series actually requested the Westernized version of the names so that it would somehow become the next Pokemon. Unfortunately, it didn't succeed as they hoped. I'm not sure if you can confirm that, though, since it was just something I read in another forum. Still, I think the Westernized names became a factor in the lukewarm acceptance of the series compared to other shows. Jimmy Kudo was tolerable, since the surname wasn't changed. Rachel Moore was just wrong for me, though; they could've at least kept the Mouri surname instead. This is why I dislike the idea of calling Detective Conan as Case Closed. The latter franchise has significantly changed a lot of important plot elements that you can really distinguish the two from each other on different factors.
This is one plot element that somehow appears bizarre to me. But I'm not sure if this is a cultural thing, though, or probably a reflection of how Japanese people used to live in the 1990s. After all, MAJOR, another Shonen Sunday manga title which debuted in the same year that Detective Conan did, also depicted a 6-year-old constantly living alone in his house while his father was busy working as a professional baseball player.
There's a chapter about that? I think I can really use that right now. Hehe...
Yup, you hit the mark once again. But it can't be helped; it's been 20 years already since the manga began, and in the real world, Conan should have been a grown-up already by now. This is actually part of my frustration with the series. There is a lack of physical development in the characters, yet there is a clear presence of technological advancement in its contexts. This is a bit disappointing and illogical for a detective series that is supposed to have utilized logic as its primary asset. At least, that's what I believe.
Same here. Even if he ends up being boring, I wouldn't mind meeting him at least once in my life. Partly because I'm a bit boring myself (hehe...), but mostly because he has created the series that has become one of the most significant influence in my life, even until now. It has its faults, but Detective Conan will always have a special place in my heart. Last edited by The Mask on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:12 am; edited 1 time in total |
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kudoshinichi95
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Sometimes I really can't hold my laughter in Germany they have almost caught up with the original Manga. The German Manga has caught up with the Anime series, how can it be that the U.S.A that is three times bigger than Germany in population is stuck in the Manga's 40's somewhere even in Sweden (yeah Sweden they have a population of 9 million people and the most of them are not Manga fans) the Manga has come further than the U.S version. And I really don't think that Gosho Aoyama wanted the characters to have American names. In Europe all characters have their original names and both the manga and the series/(now only the movies will be released) have taken over the original name (only in their languages that means for German it is Detektiv Conan <--- really really near the original and in Swedish it's Mästerdetektiven Conan <------ (far too long and a really ugly name over that I even prefer Case Closed ^^)
I discussed that with other Germans in a DC forum about how popular DC really is and they only thought about Germany and Japan -.- yeah the U.S.A is still bigger than Japan and Germany together and no one even things about Detective Conan anymore the most even forgot it ^^ It's really worth watching it and there are several "episode guides" that will show you which episodes are not plot related so you can jump over them. If you want one of these just PM me ;) |
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Aquasakura
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I don't see how a country's size has to do with the manga being caught up with both the animated adaptation and the original release of the graphic novels.
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jr240483
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it doesnt.
though westernizing it does. and it makes out for a real problem in the end cause die hard otakus would want some of the original work. sure i still dont get the whole conan name license considering that the series probably existed long before the original conan the barbarian , but at least they better have the original japaneese names if they ever decide to release their BIG editions. |
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Aquasakura
Posts: 700 Location: Chesterfield, Virginia, U.S.A |
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From looking at wikipedia Conan the barbarian was first created in 1932 in a series of Fantasy stories publish in a magazine called Weird Tales. Great Detective Conan was publish 62 years later in 1994 in Weekly Shōnen Sunday. So it's actually the other way around in terms of which series came first. However I do agree with you in terms of the name license. I don't think a name should be copyrighted, and it's not like people are going to confuse these two characters who have different professions.
Also I pointed this out because to me kudoshinichi sounded as if with how big the U.S is there should be a lot of people who are reading this manga when in actuality the series is not quite as big enough to be fully recognize mainstream as with other titles such as The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins or Harry Potter by J.K Rowling to name a few. I would like if Viz release this story as an omnibus (it's been long overdue), and it would be nice of they republish the story with original names of the characters. I never saw the logic behind westernizing as I don't see how changing characters name would help people identify with them more. People don't relate to characters by name. |
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