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RedemptionRevenge
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Right, they would have been pushing Spirited Away because Lilo & Stitch and Treasure Planet underperformed. They won't be pushing The Wind Rises this time around. They will be pushing Frozen. |
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R. Kasahara
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My point is that Spirited Away did not win wholly on its own merits, which is what it sounded like you were claiming 
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Thatguy3331
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I haven't seen either the wind rises or frozen myself so It'll be interesting to see which one comes out on top.
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Tenchi
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To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed Monsters University didn't make the cut. I'd have been rooting for Frozen to win anyway, but Monsters University was still a lot of fun even if it never reached the heights of the original Monsters, Inc., which is still my favourite Pixar film.
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ReverseTitan
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And we care, because? Awards mean nothing. What we like more important. Also keep in mind that any Ghibli film from Spirited Away- is technically also Disney since that what the production committee seems to read. Even in Ponyo "Dizuni" was in the production committee, so if Rises does win, it's not like a Disney film would have lost. And before somebody says backing=/=IP, oh yes it does. Shaft technically only did grunt work in Madoka. The real stars were Aniplex. End of EVA is a IG/Toei film as much as it is a Gainax film. All of those companies own some form of copyright over a film another studio did.
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xyz
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I only like 2 of Miyazaki's film and The Wind Rises isn't one of them. Frozen isn't the best of Disney (and I think it's not as good as Tangled) but it's still a better choice for the win and I hope it will win.
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enurtsol
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No Letter to Momo or Kick Heart?
On Rotten Tomatoes, both Frozen (89%) and Wind Rises (81%) are doing quite well. Contrary to many of my friends, I actually liked Tangled a bit more than Frozen, albeit both good and Frozen has since become Disney Studio's 2nd top film behind Lion King (wow that's a long time) and just won Golden Globe for Best Animated Feature (the winner of the Golden Globes animated feature category has gone on to win the Best Animated Feature Oscar five out of the last six years). Meanwhile, though Wind Rises has its critics in Japan, including the (non)performance of its lead actor, it has been winning the critics circles in America which bodes very well for it. As another story, since ya guys probably don't check other animation sites so probably won't be aware what's going on, Frozen was getting controversy for something else - something that a typical anime wouldn't get away with if it ever gets big in American theaters: "New Disney Heroine’s Eyes Are Bigger Than Her Wrists" I know what you're thinking - no, it's not about the eyes. 
It's about: "Disney heroine from Frozen STILL has ridiculous proportions" "Frozen in time: when will Disney's heroines reflect real body shapes?" Yes, it's about animation and caricatures, so there's also been some blowback and opposing views: "Disney’s Frozen and Hyper-Sensitivity" "‘Frozen’: Disney’s First Foray into Feminism" And they haven't even dealt with what the lead animator has to say: “Frozen” Head of Animation Says Animating Women is “Really, Really Difficult”
Ah, controversies, we love 'em.
Of note, Pixar did not receive a nomination this year in either the animated feature or short category. The last time it happened at the Oscars was in 2000, a year in which Pixar did not release a short and in which the animated feature category did not yet exist. And so, Frozen has a good chance of winning Best Music (Original Song) for "Let It Go." |
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Zac
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Frozen is now the crown-jewel second-highest grossing film in Disney Feature Animation history, a box office and pop culture phenomenon. Most popular animated film they've produced since The Lion King.
What wins these awards are studio campaigns. Disney will be pushing Frozen, and it will win. Anyone prognosticating otherwise isn't paying much attention to how these things actually work. Also to the 'controversies' listed above: the only thing they prove is that hyperventilating Tumblr whining has no impact on a film's performance or popularity. |
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Tenchi
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Letter to Momo wasn't nominated because it's an anime film not directed by Hayao Miyazaki.
I was originally going to type "it's an anime film not from Ghibli" but Ghibli movies not directed by Miyazaki don't get nominated either. EDIT: Miyazaki senior, I mean, not Goro. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I really can't say anything about the Wind Rises and how I'd want it to fair in the Oscars because I haven't seen it, but I will be putting my hope into Frozen easily sweeping it. Also, Miyazaki snubbed the Awards last time, but he's not Woody Allen, so I'm sure they take too kindly to that. What's to say he won't find some other bullshit excuse to avoid attending this time?
I am surprised they nominated the Croods, a film that many people reviled. Yeah it's crass, but it's got a good core message and Nicholas Cage. It's a perfectly reasonable family film, and certainly better than Epic, Escape from Planet Earth, Free Birds, and many of the other animated features this year. Either way, I'm glad Pixar's reign is over and WDAS can finally win something. They got totally snubbed on Tangled because no enough films were nominated, though Toy Story 3 would have probably still won regardless. |
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RedemptionRevenge
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This. And there will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be some sort of bullshit controversy when a Disney movie gets released. Unlike all the other NA animation studios, Disney is incredibly close to our cultural centre, so it evokes a lot of passion in people. Oh, and if you think the Academy even looks at those "controversies", you are wroooooong. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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The hot new way to criticize Disney animated features is to point out that the cast isn't entirely made up of multi-disabled, genderfluid, variable-body-sized, non-straight, multi-religious people of color. Many of them non-satirical too!
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invalidname
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I don't disagree for a second — by any sane measure, Frozen wins this easily, especially as Miyazaki has already received he de facto career achievement Oscar when he got the award for Spirited Away. But I'd be interested to know: who votes on this award? Is it members of an animation union, or a subset of the Academy, or all its members? Presumably, that would have an effect on who's seen what (e.g., if it's just any member, then you'd expect fewer votes for the annual European-film-that's-probably-good-but-we-haven't-seen-it entry) |
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GWOtaku
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Miyazaki's nominee statement, via Cartoon Brew:
As an aside, I'd point out the "my last film" remark to skeptics who believe secondhand reporting that Miyazaki somehow "took back" his retirement from directing recently. Nope, not so much. Nothing has changed.
And also that it often has minimal connection to actual reality. I remember running across one why-I'm-boycotting-Frozen essay that was basically just crammed full of assumptions and generalizations and glass-half-empty condemnations that all just look funny in hindsight when considered against the facts and context of what the movie ended up being. I'll be stunned if Frozen doesn't win also. It's both successful and successful for very good reasons. It recalled the studio's best traditions and yet also didn't feel stale. Leads were wonderful, music is (mostly) great. When I went back to see it a second time the seventh weekend, the theater was as full as I've seen it on opening weekends. Crazy stuff. Last edited by GWOtaku on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:17 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I'll believe that it's his last film when he dies, but until then I remain open to the idea that he's too much of a hardass to actually retire. Besides, his last movie as director, not his last movie as "guy who bosses everyone else around at the studio".
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