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Soundmonkey44
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@Jave: insinuating that working in domestic children's animation is a death sentence is asinine! The same could be said of any other genre/medium entertainment if you wanna be that way about it, the same could be said of anime, horror films, [insert media here]
I'd hardly call Adventure Time, Gravity Falls,MLP, or Steven Universe creatively bankrupt. Again this whole, my cartoons are better then your cartoons and anyone who doesn't like anime more then American/Europian animation is wrong/stupid/lesser/racist mentality gets real old real fast! |
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lostrune
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Avatar seems like a show that was heavily held back by its rating and channel and it limited what they could actually do in it. Action cartoons in general just seem to be at a natural disadvantage here from what I've noticed. Characters with swords not being able to use them, for instance. Just a lil observation. |
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ikillchicken
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Ryan Andrews, Lavnovice9, Jen Bigby, Jave and now Lostrune. This thread is like a roach motel for Japanophiles. Now if only there was a way to seal it up and toss it in the incinerator.
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Chagen46
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>Lostrune, Jen Bigby, Jave, and Ryan Andrews in the same thread
Abandon ship, everyone. This thread has lost any chance it had at being even one scrap of "passable" |
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Hypeathon
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Does that make TitanXL come back from beyond banishment and form the head? |
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TitanXL
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Little too busy to play sentai right now, sorry. |
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ikillchicken
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Do not speak of the Devil, lest he should appear before you.
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enurtsol
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We watched Princess and the Frog in the theater. And others like The Secret of Kells as well. Whenever there's something good 2D, we tell people about it, but sadly many people who decry that the public doesn't like 2D anymore are also part of the public that don't go see 2D when it's available.
"[There's] no such thing as limited animation, only limited talent.... Each style of graphic and each kind of gesture has its own requirements for motion." -- Jules Engel, acclaimed animator/film-maker of UPA studio There are always limitations - it's how resourceful and creative you can be to work with it. Heck, some of the best stuffs done are those that had obvious limitations because you had to be extra resourceful and extra creative to have thought of it! Instead of being straight-forward, direct, seen-a-million-times-before, easiest way to do something. Look at Alfred Hitchcock's cinematography! Now, I specifically mentioned limited animation because that was a handicap that Japanese animators go through. But you know what? The most resourceful of them thought of really creative ways around it. It wasn't a creative death sentence to them. Rather, some of their best techniques were devised working with that handicap. One can find these in other creative media too. Novelists writing under oppressive regimes that stamp out anything that's considered amoral to their society. So yes, many best stuffs arise from limitations because it forces you to be extra creative and resourceful than you otherwise need to be.
Yeah, Flash and CG are just tools just as traditional and stop-motion (Ray Harryhausen was another good one); it's how you use 'em. And users get better and better at it as tools improve. (Know another tool? Vocaloids.) |
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Divineking
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Not really. The creators have gone on record several times as saying they weren't really held back much in terms of censorship. They were actually surprised at what they got away with in Korra. Censorship isn't really as much of an issue as it used to be for shows. Most of the really good series know how to get around that and I've revisited a lot of older western stuff recently like Batman Beyond and the Gargoyles and you'd be pretty surprised how violent those shows could get Plus it's not like anime never has to undergo heavy censorship. The Toriko anime for instance was so ridiculously edited that I'm pretty much convinced that's why the show was a commercial failure in Japan despite how popular the manga's been for most of it's run. Reborn and Fairy Tail's adaptions are also pretty heavy examples though at least in Reborn's case it was violent for awhile and then got forced to town it down because of complaints. To be honest these days it kinda feels like Japan is scaling back a bit and western stuff is getting riskier. That said it'll still probably be a few more years before western stuff can get away with some of the things anime has violence-wise |
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enurtsol
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Oh thought of another good one: Japan has restricted genitalia depiction, so the resourceful and creative Toshio Maeda came up with tentacles! See, smart!
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Soundmonkey44
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......... Why is it all conversations on the Internet always lead to tentacle porn!?
Getting back on the topic of animation though, yeah both anime & cartoons deal with different problems in terms of content, and both can do good jobs of "living on the edge" so to speak. Just in terms of general content, I'm honestly surprised with some of the things Adventure Time & Regular Show get away with at times, but it's probably because they are on Monday nights and not Saturday Morning. Same goes for Gravity Falls on Disney. But yeah, US cartoons may have more restrictions on violent content outside of Direct to video stuff like what DC/Warner Bros does, compared to anime but that's not nessicarily a bad thing. |
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Mister Ryan Andrews
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..anime pumped out 160+ shows last year while America only made like 10? Seriously though, I don't see the point of these arguments. "Flash is bad" "WELL JAPAN USES FLASH TOO" So? It's all about balance. Yeah, you get some of those short 5 minute anime which are done in Flash, but the existence of a few Flash anime suddenly doesn't make it comparable to how it has encroached over the western industry. Not until 90% of anime is done in Flash/CG at any rate. Personally, I don't care how much people say Flash has "improved", it still looks terrible. At least all the stuff I see on TV always looks weightless, floaty, and full of cheap tweening. Maybe some underground indie guy in Newgrounds can make it look halfway decent, but maybe that's why he's stuck on Newgrounds while all the guys in the industry just use tweening. It's not the MO of the guys animating Arthur or My Little Pony to make it some fantastical visual sensory experience. It's to keep preschoolers entertained for half an hour so it will be animated as such. It's really noticeable in a show that used to be hand drawn but moved to Flash so you can compare the two right out. The new seasons of Arthur look horrible compared to the earlier ones. Especially since they still use the hand drawn intro which looks so much nicer right before the episode starts. Chaotic was the opposite. It started out in cheap Flash but then went to a faux-anime hand drawn style and looked a WHOLE lot better. I can't really think of any instance where someone who isn't an executive trying to pocket some extra money could honestly go "Yep, so glad this is Flash and not hand drawn"
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enurtsol
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But look how much richer we are because of it! That creative breakthrough has opened whole new worlds of possibilities! 
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Soundmonkey44
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Quantity DOES NOT Equal Quality. You can have 160 shows made a year and it doesn't matter of 150 of em are mediocre &/or flat out garbage. And Flash is hit n miss, if it's cheap flash, yeah it looks bad, but shows with bigger budgets like MLP are very well animated, it just depends on how much $$$ , time & effort you put into your product. 
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Chagen46
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I like how you literally ignored every bit of my post (given how you deleted all but the beginning of it) and proceeded to shift the goalposts and talk about something completely unrelated. Bahi JD himself stated that many animator--hell, in his exact words, MOST animators in Japan apparently use Flash. This is coming from a guy who WORKED ON SPACE DANDY IN JAPAN. His words. Not mine. Keep on proving yourself to be the most disingenuous person on this forum. Your ability to lie right in the face of evidence is STUNNING. |
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