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Mister Ryan Andrews
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I still don't get why western anime fans have this almost phobia of 'commercialized anime'. Swearing it off as the scum of the Earth. If people have a problem with media selling them products they're in the wrong hobby
 Anime is one of the biggest promotions of commercialism ever.
A show selling toys is no measure of quality and anyone who uses it as such is both close-minded and ignorant, unable to judge shows on their own merits without resorting to hasty generalizations and strawmanning. If people have a problem with a show like Build Fighters, go in depth and explain why the characters or story is bad, don't just say "derp digimanz, not UC"
The only real serious Yu-Gi-Oh series was 5D's and that's universally agreed to be the weakest in the franchise because of it. The most popular series are the ones which take the absurdity of it and run with it: GX, Zexal, and now ARC-V. I mean, Zexal had an episode dedicated to mini-skirts being banned in school and the main character dueling the Student council president to appeal it and they use cards which make female monsters clothes shrink and turn into tiny miniskirts like a fantasy out of Roy Mustang's diary. Not to say they don't have serious moments or anything (The Kamishiro Siblings get shit on in life so much it's borderline hilarious, and watching Amon contemplate strangling his baby brother in his crib is pretty damn disturbing) but like any good show these kinds of shows know how to balance the wacky antics of the fights and characters with the more serious and character defining moments. |
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GWOtaku
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I'll take your word for it on those, but what about the original and the whole "I have to save the world and people's immortal souls from Marik by winning a card game!" thing? Just sayin. 
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Divineking
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5D's. Weakest. Does. Not. Compute. |
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kgw
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I think you are mistaking something. Not anime, all media is done just sale something (DVD, Blu-rays, CD, TV subscriptions, comic/manga, toys, books, soap... you name it). What I cannot stand is sloppily written, bad directed, low-budget "meh, it's just for selling toys... who cares?" anime. Or entertainment in every format. And I don't know if by that "western anime fans" you mean that Japanese anime fans/viewers don't care about quality or what. Dunno, maybe some people think they have to leave their brains out when they watch anime "Durr, it's anime, don't take it seriously" or "Yeah, it's cr*p but.. ooo, SHINY MECHA! ME LIKE!". If that's the idea, I think it's a bigger "crime" than not liking a mediocre series. |
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Fencedude5609
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Why are you bringing this up in regards to Gundam Build Fighers? |
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bacondreamer
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Lost (the TV show) trading cards with packaged "dirt" anyone? |
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Mister Ryan Andrews
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Well 5D's had lower ratings and rankings than GX/Zexal and stuffs.
That's what I mean, people don't ever argue specific points why these characters are poorly written. Why Reiji or Sei's character development is unbelievable, or poorly paced, or if battles aren't good with citations, or anything like that. It's a generalizations and assumptions.. and if that's the crux of people's argument people shouldn't be surprised if they don't get taken seriously since it makes them sound like they never watched the show and just wrote it off. With the amount of obvious love letters for the franchise in the show it's weird how people can call it cheap or not a 'real Gundam'.
And by western fans I mean it's because it's a thing I notice almost exclusively with western fans. Commercialized anime can be HUGE with adult otaku in Japan and they don't just write something off because it's made to sell toys, yet here it's like some huge sweeping negative mindset. People will actually try to argue so their favorite show isn't one of these because it having that label is apparently the worst thing ever. See: the fact every other Gundam series is a toy commercial but people will argue 'no, it's totally different' despite it all being the same crap in Japan. Maybe it's because most tend to get horrendous dubs and people only watch the dubs? Or just people who want to seem mature for not watching kids anime? Or just cultural difference? I dunno, but it's apparent enough for it to be a trend I noticed. Never seen otaku rant how Zeta was any less of a toy commercial than Build Fighters in 2chan threads or anything. People did it with AGE here too, only instead of 'selling toys' it was 'Oh man, they're aiming Gundam for KIDS now?'. As if the other series weren't mostly kids stuff already. Even on these specific forums I've seen people argue if something is or isn't a kids show like it's some negative label. So maybe it's more about being percieved as a kids shows than marketing in the end... who knows. |
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DmonHiro
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Look, I have no problem with the whole Gundam battle tournament thing. I have no problem with the power of friendship. I have no problem with having Gundams from all of the series in one show.
My problem with Build Fighters is simple: THOSE ARE NOT MECHAS, THEY ARE TOYS! PLASTIC TOYS! If they kept the show exactly the same, but used actual real, huge robots (kind of like G Gundam), I would have no problem. And don't say that it would be unrealistic to have kids building actual mechas. They have magic particles that move plastic, realism flew out the window. |
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Fencedude5609
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You are literally missing at least 50% of the entire point of the show. |
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誤称
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Realism? It's not possible to build a Gundam style robot and have it not crumble under its own weight. That's why they're made of make believe metals like "gundanium".
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Cptn_Taylor
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Realism ?  As the in the White suite that never breaks down or is destroyed ? Realism as in the 3 component transformation each time they go into combat. Ah sorry I wasn't talking about GBF only the ORIGINAL GUNDAM SHOW. Good God, if your only critisicm is "they're toys" well here's the news for you, once those "toys" are on the battlefield there is no freaking difference. But what the hell would you know. Have you even seen the fights between the Gundam Build Strike and Meiji's first Gundam ? Or between the Kampfer Amazing against the Argentinian brothers' Gundams ?
Repeat after me : Realism flew out the window with the First Gundam show 35 years ago. What gets flown out the window in different in every Gundam show so give a break. You want realism ? Go watch FLAG. That's REALISM for you. |
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penguintruth
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I'm not looking for realism. I'm looking for a show about people who actually pilot mobile suits, not children who play games that for some reason need gunpla to plug into them to work.
It's a TV show about kids playing Gundam-themed Skylanders. It's not Gundam. And yeah, every Gundam production is pretty much a toy commercial, but most of them aren't JUST toy commercials, and that's ALL that Build Fighters is. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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The kids are actually piloting the mobile suits. In real life Air force pilots pilot drones even if there is not cockpit in the drone itself. Think of it that way. Tecnology changes in real life, it's obvious that some of that will drip into anime after all.
What is GUNDAM at its core ? It's what Tomino had to say about the inability of humankind to overcome its primal aggresive instintcs. He did that in the original Gundam tv series (later revised in a better form in the movies) then he re-elaborated the concept in a slightly different form in Ideon. From there he went to CCA and then to Turn A. These are the fundamental milestones that characterize Tomino's view on humanity. He did that over a time frame of 20 years. And he gave his final answer in Turn A. From his point of view Gundam is dead. And if you don't understand why this is so well you don't have that great of an insight into Tomino's works after all. And no you cannot characterize Gundam as a show only about war, misery, tens of characters dying for no reason at all etc... Even only the UC shows cannot be all characterized that way. Your problem is that your expectation about what Gundam is is very let's say narrow minded. It's almost as if you knew better than the authors themselves what Gundam is and what it should be about. And that in my mind is a pretty pretentious attitude.
GBF is not only a toy commercial. It's more honest about what it is, but it isn't only a toy commercial. Continuing to hammer on this point shows just how little you understand the GBF anime. |
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msgundam2
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My favorite Gundam is getting a new series. I'm very happy.
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DmonHiro
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Well... no. Only the Gundams are ever made of special alloy. All the other MS are made of regular metals, and they should crumble under their own weight as well.
Uhm... that's what I was saying. Gundam has never been realistic, thus having children building ACTUAL Gundams wouldn't be that weird in a Gundam universe. I was not arguing that I WANT realism in Gundam. Do you know what I want in a Gundam show? ACTUAL GUNDAMS. Why is that so hard to understand? I want real, huge Gundams, not toys that look like Gundams. I don't mind that kids were piloting them, kids have ALWAYS piloted Gundams, but this is the first, and hopefully only time where a whole Gundam show is all about PLAYING with Gundams. I want an actual threat in my Gundam battles. No, having your toy break is not enough for me to give a damn. I'm not saying that everyone has to die, though Tomino might sometimes disagree, but at least some level of ACTUAL danger.
You are right, but I can characterize Gundam as shows about ACTUAL GIANT ROBOTS ACTUALLY PILOTED BY PEOPLE. Why is that so hard to understand? tl;dr: If it does not have actual real Gundams, it's not a real Gundam show, it's a pretender. What if they made a new Fate/Stay Night anime, and it's all about people playing the fighting game, and nothing else? Would it still be a Fate/Stay Night anime? |
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