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NEWS: Defense Fund to Oppose Canadian Manga Child Porn Case

The bottom line when traveling to Canada or Australia is not to bring any anime or manga with you. These two countries are not anime and manga friendly, despite ANN's Australian web site, and are trying to out "Puritan" the United States.

The nature of the charges mean if found guilty he will not be spending days or weeks in jail, but years. It is not worth jail in these foreign countries, just to bring your anime or manga reading with you.

Canada and Australia should just ban anime and manga outright, that way there would be no arrests due to differing interpretations.

I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing.

On the bright side, Canada`s legal system is basically a slap on the wrist. The most he`d get is two months, and he`d only serve like two weeks if he behaved.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others." — Thomas Jefferson

"The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." — John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." — C.S. Lewis

Not to mention that these stupid bans on cartoons obscure the real crime of real child pornography which involves the real abuse of real children. it is sick and disgusting that someone owning a comic book is equated to someone who own evidence of actual child abuse. It really is like arresting someone for owning a copy of The Basketball Diaries or Natural Born Killers or the videogame Doom as if they have or will commit the actual acts depicted therein.

The Xenos wrote:

Not to mention that these stupid bans on cartoons obscure the real crime of real child pornography which involves the real abuse of real children. it is sick and disgusting that someone owning a comic book is equated to someone who own evidence of actual child abuse. It really is like arresting someone for owning a copy of The Basketball Diaries or Natural Born Killers or the videogame Doom as if they have or will commit the actual acts depicted therein.

That's bollox. It's not "obscuring" the fight against real child porn, indeed it's because of an all encompassing effort to battle real child porn that the virtual fringe has become included into the battle because of the fact CP manga could be used as a grooming tool, simple as that.

That's bollox. It's not "obscuring" the fight against real child porn, indeed it's because of an all encompassing effort to battle real child porn that the virtual fringe has become included into the battle because of the fact CP manga could be used as a grooming tool, simple as that.

Mohawk52 wrote:

The Xenos wrote: Not to mention that these stupid bans on cartoons obscure the real crime of real child pornography which involves the real abuse of real children. it is sick and disgusting that someone owning a comic book is equated to someone who own evidence of actual child abuse. It really is like arresting someone for owning a copy of The Basketball Diaries or Natural Born Killers or the videogame Doom as if they have or will commit the actual acts depicted therein. That's bollox. It's not "obscuring" the fight against real child porn, indeed it's because of an all encompassing effort to battle real child porn that the virtual fringe has become included into the battle because of the fact CP manga could be used as a grooming tool, simple as that.

no, no it's not are you that stupid or moronic??

Anything can be used as grooming tool for children "such as all porn in general" but lets just ban all of it in order to "protect the children". I swear you classic text book 101 conservative .. I will not finish because I do not feel like flaming some-one. I have news for you my opinion and yours is not always right.

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: The Xenos wrote: Not to mention that these stupid bans on cartoons obscure the real crime of real child pornography which involves the real abuse of real children. it is sick and disgusting that someone owning a comic book is equated to someone who own evidence of actual child abuse. It really is like arresting someone for owning a copy of The Basketball Diaries or Natural Born Killers or the videogame Doom as if they have or will commit the actual acts depicted therein. That's bollox. It's not "obscuring" the fight against real child porn, indeed it's because of an all encompassing effort to battle real child porn that the virtual fringe has become included into the battle because of the fact CP manga could be used as a grooming tool, simple as that. no, no it's not are you that stupid or moronic??

No need to be so insulting towards me, rather focus your rage at the authorities involved.

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Anything can be used as grooming tool for children "such as all porn in general" but lets just ban all of it in order to "protect the children". I swear you classic text book 101 conservative .. I will not finish because I do not feel like flaming some-one. I have news for you my opinion and yours is not always right.

I 'm actually registered Labour, but I'm also a parent of two children, so "protect the children" is in my blood no apologies from me for that mate. If you read what I wrote without clouds of rage and hate, you'll see I stated CP, meaning Child Porn, manga so if "anything can be used as grooming tool for children" as you stated, surely comics depicting explicit sexual acts as acceptable behavior, fits in that puzzle nicely as well, and can not be ignored by the authorities involved, don't you think? But regardless even if the manga involved in this situation was not CP manga, the Border Guards inspecting that material thought it was and there we are. Trouble is we don't know just exactly what it was that they saw on his laptop to judge anyway. so venting your splean in the manner you have might have been cathartic for you, but completely pointless, as frankly I couldn't give a toss.

sillyriri wrote:

Jaymie wrote: I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing. That's an opinion, not a fact, though. You may not see drawings as child pornography, but there's nothing in the definition of 'pornography' that excludes drawn pictures; and, as for the definition of 'child' in relation to drawings, for that sort of thing most people go by how the character looks rather than an excuse like "oh, but he/she's actually 700 years old..."

Manga = Drawn

Drawn = Not Real

Not real = No harm done

Can I go now, the line at the airport is getting long as it is, lol