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NEWS: Japan's Child Pornography Bill Would Not Restrict Anime, Manga


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Touma



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:56 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Violynne wrote:
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Do you work for the Japanese anime industry and have inside information you're basing this statement on? If so, please share it.

If not, I can't agree to this. It doesn't make sense to me the most popular series out there are shows without young girls being shown nude and this indicates a collapse isn't justified.


I don't work for the anime industry, but I read enough from industry insider to get an idea that anime and manga are core content industry in Japan

I might be wrong, but I do not think that he was questioning the importance of anime and manga.
I think he was questioning your assertion that the anime and manga industries would be severely damaged if they were covered by this bill.

I question it too because I think that you are looking at only small segments of the industries, but I am not going to speculate about something that might happen, if something else happened, maybe.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:09 pm Reply with quote
Touma wrote:

I might be wrong, but I do not think that he was questioning the importance of anime and manga.
I think he was questioning your assertion that the anime and manga industries would be severely damaged if they were covered by this bill.


Well what else beside anime and manga that make up core content industry in Japan, video game industry in Japan is no longer super big as it was 10 years ago.

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In 2002, it is estimated that Japan accounted for nearly 50% of the world's gaming market. That has now fallen to around 10% and without Nintendo, with the success of the Wii console, the figure would be even lower - around 8%.


I know music doesn't make up the content industry in Japan since that has been declining for the last few years (I wouldn't be surprised 3 to 5 years from now Japan goes from #2 to #4). I don't see any other creative contents beside anime and manga that makes up the entire industry in Japan. As I said, there could be many factors why anime and manga is not in the bill, but I'll say this: anime and manga makes up the important content industry in Japan, if they had included in the child porn bill the industry collapse and Japan's economy goes down with it.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:00 pm Reply with quote
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Comic LO is all about that, and I'm pretty sure there are one or two more that are slipping my mind that it is at least common in.

I think LO is the only dedicated monthly anthology left, and I've heard that the level of censorship has increased lately. The only other name I can think of is Comic RIN which was more of a mix, but I don't think it is in circulation any more (I spend more time on Pixiv than Danbooru these days so I'm a bit out of touch).
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:21 pm Reply with quote
Censorship for all h-manga has increased, even if it's a story about two 30 year old adults in a heterosexual relationship for the pure purpose of procreation using the missionary position. It's gone from maybe a few strategic black lines to a ladder of them, if not just fully whiting out or mosaicing it, even in the tank release. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's lolicon, there's just been a massive chilling effect on the hentai industry.

Also, most of the other big monthly publications can have loli content if that's where an artist decides to go.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:36 pm Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
HitokiriShadow wrote:
Comic LO is all about that, and I'm pretty sure there are one or two more that are slipping my mind that it is at least common in.

I think LO is the only dedicated monthly anthology left, and I've heard that the level of censorship has increased lately. The only other name I can think of is Comic RIN which was more of a mix, but I don't think it is in circulation any more (I spend more time on Pixiv than Danbooru these days so I'm a bit out of touch).


Ah, yes, that was (one of?) the one(s) I was forgetting, thanks.

walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Censorship for all h-manga has increased, even if it's a story about two 30 year old adults in a heterosexual relationship for the pure purpose of procreation using the missionary position. It's gone from maybe a few strategic black lines to a ladder of them, if not just fully whiting out or mosaicing it, even in the tank release. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's lolicon, there's just been a massive chilling effect on the hentai industry.

Also, most of the other big monthly publications can have loli content if that's where an artist decides to go.


I think I recall hearing sometime recently of a magazine that got in trouble for not censoring enough. Don't remember if they just had to recall of the magazine or if someone got arrested for it.
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Rensie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:37 am Reply with quote
Nothing against this law, is well made and exclude fortunately fictional works (very difficult to understand the age of an imaginary character expecially in a exagerate style like manga, and surely abusable).

Just hope these foreign puritans fake child protectors (i still think that these histeric organizations are just made to make money using this issue) now stop to make a fuss and mind their own business leave alone anime and manga (sadly already heavy censored and restricted cause the stupid "unhealty laws").
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:53 am Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
but I'll say this: anime and manga makes up the important content industry in Japan, if they had included in the child porn bill the industry collapse and Japan's economy goes down with it.


You're jumping from "anime and manga are the basis of Japan's economy" (which is laughable) to "anime and manga featuring obviously underage characters in pornographic content is the basis of Japan's economy." Which is what the other poster was attempting to point out: many of the top-selling series in Japan are not fanservice shows. For manga, go check our last two articles about top sellers for the first six months:

animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-06-03/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014-first-half/.75177

The first series anywhere near "fanservice" is Nisekoi at #10. The majority are shonen-action and sports titles. There's even less on the per volume list:
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-06-03/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-volume-2014-first-half/.75180

While, at least in 2011, anime did comprise a large percentage in home video sales (animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-21/anime-makes-up-57-percent-of-blu-ray-sales-in-japan-in-1st-half-of-2011) the Japanese economy and their major industries aren't "animation production." It's cars, electronics, machine tools, metals, ships, chemicals, textiles, and processed foods.

I'm not saying if anime disappeared it wouldn't hurt Japan in some way, but it is by no means their primary export. Japan (and any thriving country) is a much more diversified economy than that.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:28 am Reply with quote
@octopodpie: Well I read it on couple of articles from the past that anime and manga are crucial for Japan's economy:

2011-Regarding the "Japan is banning anime/manga" matter + FAQ

This article said this:

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However, this law only applies for publishers that are in Tokyo, because it's only the Metropolitan Assembly in Tokyo that decided all this. Also, please keep in mind that all those big publishers have their company there and it'll be a bother to move somewhere else. The government of Japan is against this law, because anime/manga is important for the economy in Japan, but for some reason they can't do anything against it.


Why Japan is counting on anime, manga to boost economy

Even if majority of anime/manga aren't ecchi, lolicon or anything like you describe, but anime and manga make up Japan's economy, so if Japan's govt was to put anime and manga into child porn bill, it would've spelled doom for the industry which could also hurt the economy of Japan.
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Touma



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:49 am Reply with quote
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@octopodpie: Well I read it on couple of articles from the past that anime and manga are crucial for Japan's economy:

2011-Regarding the "Japan is banning anime/manga" matter + FAQ

This is from that same page:
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12) Their economy is going to break down, right?

Not really. Sure, they'll probably don't earn as much as they used to, but they won't go bankrupt. Japan's technology is amazing, they still have a lot of things to sell. Cars for example. And no, pocky isn't one of the things they sell the most.


I definitely do not agree with your theory that anime and manga are being excluded from this bill because the law makers are afraid that their inclusion would cripple the Japanese economy.
Anime and manga are just not that important to the economy, and the things that might be prohibited by this bill are just a small percentage of anime and manga, as octopodpie pointed out.


EDIT: I forgot to mention that your other link:
Why Japan is counting on anime, manga to boost economy
does not work for me.
I even went to the ABS-CBN website and found the article by searching for it but I still could not get to that page. The request timed out with the message that the server was not responding.
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Kebble



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:06 pm Reply with quote
Ban or no ban, these are fictional characters depicted in drawings, and so theoretically the 'creator' will start lying about the details to pass off a loli girl as a very short, young looking, adult. Heck, how many so-called 'incest' series have we had the brother and sister ultimately end up being step siblings in the end. So in my opinion, for every taboo or ban, there's a way around it. And any government hoping to regulate this, is wasting precious time and money on a problem that they can't even get a definitive answer on whether or not it actually exists in the first place.
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Touma



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:13 pm Reply with quote
Kebble wrote:
And any government hoping to regulate this, is wasting precious time and money on a problem that they can't even get a definitive answer on whether or not it actually exists in the first place.

Maybe that is why they are excluding anime and manga in this bill.

The bill that is being discussed here will not affect anime and manga.
It applies to real sexual exploitation of real children.
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Violynne



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:22 pm Reply with quote
Touma wrote:
I might be wrong, but I do not think that he was questioning the importance of anime and manga.
I think he was questioning your assertion that the anime and manga industries would be severely damaged if they were covered by this bill.

This is the correct interpretation.

To mdo7,
If you read my post as hostile toward you, my apologies. I wasn't being facetious when I asked. I honestly wanted to know.

Since you stated you aren't in the business (neither am I), we're both confined on taking information reported and assessing our opinions from them.

We may not read the same articles, but the assessment that anime and manga would suffer if they didn't include young characters doesn't make sense to me. I'm also not confident any entertainment industry will collapse an economy regardless what country it is.

I just wanted to make sure I understood your position. If you still feel this way, then it's not a position I can agree with.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:41 am Reply with quote
I vote in favour of this Bill.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:00 am Reply with quote
As long as they separate fiction from reality everything is ok.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:01 am Reply with quote
Whenever I see an article that has "child pornography" and "anime"/"manga" in the same sentence, I am reminded how stupid people really are.
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