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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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You confused Loli/Shota (prepubescent girl/boy) with Lolicon/Shotacon (those who have a complex towards Loli/Shota). Most Lolicon are male and most Shotacon are female, respectively, but of course not all of them are like that. It's just heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals. |
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Wolverine Princess
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Really? The number of male shotacon fans I've met outstrips the females by far, although this may have a lot to do with the fact that you can never really tell who's male or female on the internet. (This hold true especially in sub-fandoms related to BL where nearly every teenage girl pretends to be male at least once. I'll admit I've certainly done it before.) And in today's Ask John article, the author states that Boku no Pico's target audience is adult males. |
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omar235
Posts: 1572 Location: Florida, Jacksonvile |
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EDIT: Why would girls be ashamed of liking boy love that? Last edited by omar235 on Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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darkchibi07
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Abbreviation for boy's love. And Boku no Pico is aimed for guys?!! |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Well, what do you know, another rant and/or just discussion we really already did, twice.
Richard J. probably said it best on the content issue of material like this back on the first page, it's only as bad as you want to react to it. It's out there but so what, people need to get over it, it doesn't affect you unless you want it to. Obviously Zac again takes a conservative standpoint (litteral definition, not political in case someone here wants to whine about it, politics are just politics). I'm not going to deny that I don't share the same view of what's appropriate now and that probably most people would agree but the truth just is stuff like that is just going to become more and more accepted as time passes just like all other parts of the human condition as it would seem. Not to say that it's always the right direction necessarily, but relatively speaking and in terms of liberty it certainly is. And for the record, yeah, I completely agree with lollercoaster et all, Tsubasa generally was a sad excuse for a CLAMP manga. |
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Wolverine Princess
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It's not a matter of feeling ashamed, girls pretend to be boys on the 'net just because it's loads of fun. To physically live out their fantasies of being gay males whisked away by suave, incredibly sexy older men would require extensive (and extremely expensive) surgery, and pretending to be cute little gay boys on the internet is a healthy way to explore their sexuality. In most cases it's very easy to pick out who is a real boy and who's just a pre-pubescent girl pretending, as these "fakers" nearly always type in pink fonts, commonly use cute, effeminate emoticons like =^.___.^= and ^_~, and end all of their sentences with little made-up suffixes like "nyoro~n" and "puko-puko." It's a great learning experience in internet etiquette, as I was doing the exact same thing in other forums until I came to ANN, did a search for the word "yaoi," and read through many old forum conversations about how other people find these girls to be incredibly annoying and how they "ruin everything." Witnessing other crazed fangirls act like total dick-heads on ANN (see all posts by "Karorin") was a big wake-up call for me. If I didn't read through that very thread I linked to, I'd probably still be typing in a bright-pink font right now, nyoro~n. ^_~ ♂♥ |
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Zalis116
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Posts: 6867 Location: Kazune City |
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That's the kind of stuff that we hetero male fans view as "corruption" or "ruining." Being a shounen-ai fan and liking a series for actual shounen-ai content or hot guys is fine; at least that's liking a series for its actual content and not its fanfic idea potential. Then again, who am I to say why people should or shouldn't like something? If these same fangirls I'm complaining about buy the DVDs, it's all good |
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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Please forgive my obtuseness, but... WHY?!? I especially find this odd since often (enough) we're talking (I guess) about girls pretending to be a gay guy being whisked away by a guy who in the source material IS NOT GAY. WHY?!? (granted, sometimes it's 2 guys who in the material ARE gay, but still I don't get why you would recast yourself (assuming you DON'T have gender identity issues) as the opposite sex JUST so you can be gay with another member of that sex in your fantasy) |
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Wolverine Princess
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That's just it, it's a fantasy. It doesn't have to necessarily make sense, it's just what a lot of people do when they’re head-over-heels obsessed with their hobby. (And this is an extremely common practice among girls.) And if you still think that that the majority of BL is all fanfiction where the original characters aren't gay, you've been hiding under a rock for the past year or so when actual BL (like the stuff from DMP, for example) started gaining popularity outside Japan. EDIT: Screwy quote Last edited by Wolverine Princess on Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:34 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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HellKorn
Posts: 1669 Location: Columbus, OH |
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Just to add my two cents into this since my original posts in this thread were deleted last Friday due to the forum crash.
Certainly there's conformity (which I do not condone in the slightest), but there's also something called common courtesy when it comes to not acting out on every single urge that you have, and respect also files along with it.
So if someone cuts himself and does harsh drugs like heroin we can give them the "A-OK!" and leave it at that? Mind you I'm not implying that yaoi fangirls can be equated to suicidal teenagers and drug addicts, but that is a comparison to consider.
So obnoxiousness should be tolerated? ... What kind of inane view is that? |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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You don't seem to understand the principle behind many of the amendments of the constitution. Your right to be disruptive and annoying and loud ends at my ears. Your right to throw a punch ends at my face. You can't just do whatever you like. What about the enjoyment of people who want quiet restraint? What about the enjoyment of the people who have sensitive ears? You seem to disregard those people; the most important people to you are whoever's acting out in the way that most irritates or annoys or disrupts other peoples' enjoyment. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. I get what you're saying, but you take everything you say into this total nonsense realm of utter lunacy. |
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Steroid
Posts: 329 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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But what does common courtesy do for the person who is more interested in acting out their urges than in harmony? Let's say I'm a yaoi fangirl, and I want to act out and squeal. What does it do for me to restrain myself? It might convince other people to restrain their urges, but that doesn't bother me.
Hurting yourself is not wrong, just stupid. Give people the facts, let them make their own decisions, and get out of the way.
Yes. We are not all one family, or one group. We are a collection of individuals, all acting in our own interests. When someone projects that interest in the face of the general populace, it should be celebrated.
I understand much of the constitution. I do not agree with it all.
Very true, but as I've said before, my right to throw a punch exists to the limit of your face, and not before. Unless I've actually done damage to you, not just irked you, it's still correct to do it.
Well, it's something of a matter of place. If we're talking about a yaoi fangirl squealing at an anime convention, it's a matter for the convention organizers to judge. Should they favor peace and quiet, they can turn away the fangirls. If we're talking about a fangirl joining a web board to squeal in text, it's for the site runners. But if it's in public, then unless damage is done, no retribution should be taken.
Yes, I favor the doers over the stand-stillers, the new to the status quo. And I believe that a single person's enjoyment is more important that many peoples' peace. I believe in being narrow and deep. To me, life is about achieving happiness, not avoiding pain. |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Man... the times, the customs.
That about sums it up. For crying outloud, we're talking about a medium of entertainment here, not even an act infringing apon someone else's rights, lets just leave it at that. People can see what they want to for themselves but they can't make other people watch what they want to, or not watch what they don't want them to. Loli, Shota, or whatever. Sure if someone wanted to expose anything unsightly it would create a stir but only for a time, things change, acceptance grows. |
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luffypirate
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those karorin posts were funny. haha what a good read!
someone give me good yuri titles. that shit is so hot ;D |
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Cloe
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Posts: 2728 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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Go ahead an squeal; nobody can stop you from squealing anyway. But I'll exercise my right to tell a person when they're annoying the hell out of me. Because, you know, what good does it do for me to restrain myself? |
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