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Sheleigha



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Bandai Entertainment was never able to get the extended "Director's Cut" version of Escaflowne.


Wait, what?? First I've heard of this... Funi picked up Escaflowne with their Bandai collection, didn't they? Now I'm curious if they actually have the rights to this extended version...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:22 pm Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:

Though in some cases, the TV version can be an improvement; I wouldn't complain if Aniplex released the broadcast version of Nisekoi instead of the backgrounds-impaired home video version, assuming there aren't nudity changes or added scenes in the disc version.


What the hell??? Shocked Shocked





I'll agreed with Zalis116 that the TV version has improved over the home video version. I have to ask: What the hell were the people at the studio thinking when they removed the beautiful background and replace it with generic sparkles and other stuffs that shouldn't be there?? Confused Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Sheleigha wrote:
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Bandai Entertainment was never able to get the extended "Director's Cut" version of Escaflowne.


Wait, what?? First I've heard of this... Funi picked up Escaflowne with their Bandai collection, didn't they? Now I'm curious if they actually have the rights to this extended version...


Ehhh, I wouldn't really call it an "director's cut". More like a "the animators forgot they were working on a TV series and accidently made some extra footage for the first 7 episodes that had to be trimmed for airtime." A couple are kind of interesting (like actually telling why those lizard guys were trying to kidnap Hitomi), but most of it looks like pretty inconsequential stuff.

Here's a vid with all of them


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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:40 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
I was aware of Escaflowne, but not your other examples. But since I kind of had an inkling, though did not think it occurred that much, I started keeping track of various blogs (mostly Japanese, a few English) who do the laborious job of side-by-side comparisons...

Mind sharing those, especially the English ones? I usually pick those instances up, but that's mainly because I frequent so many anime-related sites on daily basis. Some might still fall through the cracks so I wouldn't mind if there was one single place I could keep track of them on...

Polycell wrote:
Personally, I bought Sakura Trick for the simple fact I knew it'd flop and I wanted to do what I could to support the genre.

Same. Except I did hope against hope it wouldn't flop.

Zalis116 wrote:
...and the broadcast version of Papillon Rose.

If what I know is correct, only the first three episodes were ever released uncensored on Japanese DVDs. But that the release was cancelled because of some (legal?) issues. A box-set was released later, however that only contained the broadcast version of all 6 episodes.
The last part I can confirm first-hand because I was able to acquire the box-set in question, and it indeed was the broadcast version.

DmonHiro wrote:
PS: A little light on the Maze masters: this was not done on purpose. The Japanese didn't have an uncensored DVD version either. The only uncensored version of Maze TV was the Laserdisc version. Voices from the internet say that J.C. Staff actually lost the uncensored masters somewhere after they releases the movie into cinema, but before they could actually produce a home video version of said movie. So, not only does the TV series exist uncensored only through Laserdisc and Laserdisc rips, but the movie does not exist anymore.

A bird told me some fans are working on the LD version. Wink
Though the movie is still missing in action and it doesn't look it'll get better any time soon...

mdo7 wrote:
After reading these 2 articles. I'm not surprised how uncensored masters could've gotten lost, all the uncensored animation masters would've not been lost if they had save them on computers/PCs and USB drives and not in other places when it can get lost easily. Also to people that think Japan is all that high tech like you heard about, well it's not so get that images off your head.

Maze the Megaburst Space
was animated in 1997. How many Western shows were digitally stored back then, not to mention on usb drives?...

mdo7 wrote:
I'll agreed with Zalis116 that the TV version has improved over the home video version. I have to ask: What the hell were the people at the studio thinking when they removed the beautiful background and replace it with generic sparkles and other stuffs that shouldn't be there?? Confused Mad

Agree. At least they could have done as the Japanese release of Koihime Musou and put both versions on disc...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:47 pm Reply with quote
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mdo7 wrote:
After reading these 2 articles. I'm not surprised how uncensored masters could've gotten lost, all the uncensored animation masters would've not been lost if they had save them on computers/PCs and USB drives and not in other places when it can get lost easily. Also to people that think Japan is all that high tech like you heard about, well it's not so get that images off your head.

Maze the Megaburst Space
was animated in 1997. How many Western shows were digitally stored back then, not to mention on usb drives?...


I don't understand the relevence of this. But I know it's probably easy back then to lose masters because things can get lost easily, because of today's digital tech, you can store and find it easily. But remember, this is Japan they're technologically behind (even by today's standard). Maze the Megaburst Space is anime, not western animation.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:11 pm Reply with quote
Sheleigha wrote:
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Bandai Entertainment was never able to get the extended "Director's Cut" version of Escaflowne.


Wait, what?? First I've heard of this... Funi picked up Escaflowne with their Bandai collection, didn't they? Now I'm curious if they actually have the rights to this extended version...


It kind of doesn't matter, since there's no dub. At least it could be an extra feature.
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EyeOfPain wrote:
it cuts out an explicit scene from a pornographic video game featuring what appears to be an underaged girl, so it seems like a reasonable decision to me.


The seventhstyle article, "Kobato Copulation Uncensored In 'Haganai'", has pictures of the scene in question
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:51 pm Reply with quote
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First of all, USB flash drives weren't introduced until 2000, and those models only held about 8MB [source]. No services like DropBox existed, and there are security concerns with protocols such as FTP (SFTP would probably not have been widely available by that time), not to mention that Internet speeds were slow. HDDs weren't that cheap, and would have been clumsy to ship; same with LaserDisc, and DVD is a lossy format unsuitable for master copies.


I'm aware of that, but I think back then there were many way you could lose a lot of animation.

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On top of all that, Digipaint was still a few years from wide use, if it even existed by then at all, so the film would have been traditionally animated and shot on analog film, so this entire argument is a complete waste of time.


Well doesn't matter, Japan is still technologically behind (and probably backward when it comes to new tech).

EDIT: after looking back at the previous post, yeah I made some mistakes on my part. Sorry. Anime smile + sweatdrop Embarassed

But still I'm concern Japan's reluctance to adapt new tech could cause more animation (including uncut masters) to get lost that way.


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TheSeventhSense



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:53 pm Reply with quote
How is Haganai Next a TV edit and still rated TV-MA, meaning I can't purchase it in a store? Is the version in Australia uncensored? They rated it lower then we did, actually. (They gave it an M, which is the equivalent of PG-13/TV-14.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:59 pm Reply with quote
Rika is extremely foulmouthed. she's likely the reason for the rating
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:05 pm Reply with quote
Conquistador0 wrote:

The basic premise of the Piracy problem is that WAY TOO MANY fools are stealing money and property from the producers. Otherwise, Japanese companies wouldn't care about releasing their stuff in our market the same time as theirs. So clearly one buyer can make a difference as long as the rest are also of the same mind. A Worker is worthy of his wages.


Piracy has nothing to do with an English release. As if Americans couldn't pirate rips of legal streams or the Japanese home video release. If anything, lengthy delays only encourage piracy here. The Japanese fear that their own citizens are going to reverse import, it has nothing to do with us.

[quote="Justin]
Worse, a significant number of American fans buying a show from CD Japan or Amazon.jp could easily slip under the radar and go unnoticed, since there's no way to tell those sales from every other unit sold in Japan.[/quote]

Oricon actually tracks the units being shipped outside Japan, and excludes them from their sales reports because they want them to reflect domestic sales only. Who knows if they make overseas sales available to publishers or not.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/guide/help/product/oricon
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:09 pm Reply with quote
Stealth00 wrote:
Conquistador0 wrote:

The basic premise of the Piracy problem is that WAY TOO MANY fools are stealing money and property from the producers. Otherwise, Japanese companies wouldn't care about releasing their stuff in our market the same time as theirs. So clearly one buyer can make a difference as long as the rest are also of the same mind. A Worker is worthy of his wages.


Piracy has nothing to do with an English release. As if Americans couldn't pirate rips of legal streams or the Japanese home video release. If anything, lengthy delays only encourage piracy here. The Japanese fear that their own citizens are going to reverse import, it has nothing to do with us.


I agreed, I have evidence that proves piracy doesn't hurt the market. It's not related to anime but I don't want to post it here (because moderators will complain about it). But here's another evidence:

Music pirates are also most prolific buyers
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As for why they keep getting the wrong master tapes? Sometimes it's malice -- the Japanese publishers are always reluctant to let the overseas release of an anime be as good as the far more expensive Japanese versions.


That explains Aniplex USA and why their releases are always 2.0 stereo for both language tracks.
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Whats the name of the anime in the picture shown in the column btw? with the red hair chick and male?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:45 pm Reply with quote
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Whats the name of the anime in the picture shown in the column btw? with the red hair chick and male?


His and Her Circumstances
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