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Gasero
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I typically find censorship humorous. The steps that publishers go through to "tame" Japanese media targeted towards children can result in some wacky edits.
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doctordoom85
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In terms of One Piece, I can't remember when it comes to Robin, but Nami has definitely had some fanservice-y moments before the timeskip. I guess maybe the issue is that she's like this now all the time, but honestly I find fanservice moments more distracting than an actual fanservice-y outfit (as long as it's reasonable). A fanservice moment sticks out and gets my attention, but an actual outfit they wear all the time just becomes part of the scenery and doesn't distract me at all. Sure, in Gurren Lagann I noticed Yoko's clothes initially but soon after it barely caught my attention. Of course, the male heroes weren't exactly fully clothed either (which is often true of One Piece as well).
I don't think Korra is that far behind Avatar, I think Book 2 of Avatar was the only fully excellent season, Books 1 and 3 were great but there was some filler here and there (not that the filler couldn't be enjoyable, but Book 2 IIRC had every single episode be fully relevant). Korra Season 1 was excellent for the most part. Season 2 did fumble somewhat during its first half (particularly Korra becoming somewhat unlikable in how vicious she got), but its second half got quite better (and the flashback episode involving spoiler[the first Avatar] is the best episode of the entire franchise IMHO). Season 3 has gotten off to a great start so far (minus Kai, who's really annoying, but that may be intentional on the writers' part and we'll see where it goes). I don't hate Tingle, he's just really meh to me. So I wouldn't want him to take up a character slot, not out of hatred but because there's better characters for them to use. |
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DavetheUsher
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Man, those graphics look so bland and undetailed but maybe that's just the source material's fault and Platinum is making the most of what they're forced to work with. Looks like a PS2 shovelware game
I don't get how boobs are inappropriate for teenagers. teenagers love boobs. Teen guys love looking at them. Teen girls love showing them off. Makes no sense I tell ya. Ruto for Hyrule Warriors would be awesome. Tons of fish and water attacks. Would be badass and awesome. |
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Rahxephon91
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Nobody forced Platinum to do anything. They are a work for hire studio and they need anyone to fund/give them work.
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IZFSLE
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People think they seem mature by opposing any bit of sexuality or fanservice. I find it funny because when you make such a big deal out of it, I find it to be incredibly immature. Anyone who says One Piece has been ruined by fanservice has no basis for what they're saying, and they sound completely idiotic at the same time. First, in over 600 episodes, I can count the scenes that might even be considered fanservice on one hand. "Oh well the outfits are too revealing". Is seeing Nami wear a bikini top actually hurting you somehow? Anyone who is actually physically or mentally bothered by that has some issues and shouldn't be watching anime in the first place. "Oh well some of the girls have big boobs". And so what? Is that a problem? Last I checked there is no jiggling or any implied fanservice related to breasts in One Piece. Girls in real life can have a large bust. Are they automatically considered sexually dirty because of that? You should know the answer. I generally don't care about the anime community's opinions, but when I hear someone just spew their opinion of how a show is ruined by some cleavage, it just irks me the wrong way. |
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Rahxephon91
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You got that right anyone who thinks "boy these characters I liked being played up as male jerk off fantasies for no reason being shoved in my face, I don't enjoy this" sure has mental problems.
Look, I don't know anything about One Piece and I sure don't give a shit. I did think the new game looked solid and noticed that Nami and the black hair girl had super big boobs. It dosen't bother me because I don't put any stock in OP and it already seems like everything in the show is super exaggerated anyway. But. Maybe Tod likes the show. Maybe he didn't need the female characters to play up thier sex appeal merely for male gaze? Maybe that's not what he was watching the show for. I don't know. I don't watch the show. There's a time and place for fanservice. If I want to watch porn, I'll watch porn. I don't need it to pop up everywhere just to serve me up some boobs. It didn't bother me or ruin the show, but the parts were they felt the need to sex up the Major in Ghost in The Shell Stand Alone Complex for no reason(there were clearly parts were they used sex to do something for her character) just got a big "eh" from me. I don't need the Major to be dumbed down to a sex object just because she's a female and I'm watching a show probably aimed at males. Maybe Todd feels somewhat similar about One Piece? But of course reading the arguments from the spin doctors at ANN. I'm either afraid of nudity and a puritan because of course I'd have to be because I don't need sexed up women in everything I enjoy. Or I'm somehow against women or some other strange nonsense. |
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IZFSLE
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1) If you think characters like Nami or Robin are male jerkoff fantasies then, yes, you DO have some problems and are a complete stiff. 2) You just said you've never seen One Piece, then what basis do you have to talk about it if you don't know what you're talking about. 3) Coming from a person who has seen OP, sexual elements are almost 100% nonexistent. I'm not going to take you seriously ranting about a show you've never seen and know nothing about. Oh wait, people do that all the time in the anime community, but I guess you're just another run-of-the-mill online anime fanatic. Just like that pony-tailed idiot on youtube who said Mauyo is only directed towards "certain people" because the demon king has cleavage showing. Give me a break. "Spin doctor"? Looks like you were the one spinning my post and taking it to the extreme there, bud. Just another lovely personality from our anime community! |
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Rahxephon91
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It's almost as if you can't read.
There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with fanservice, but it is shameless tna. Not really a problem, but it is there to play with that male appeal of "men like sexy girls with boobs". They are playing up to male fantasies. Kind of hard to argue against that. It's just, maybe someone like Todd dosen't need that in everything. maybe he just did'nt want that in One Piece. And I'm a stiff? It's like you didn't even read what I said. I passed no judgement on fanservice or it's ilk. Just stated I don't need it in everything.
And perhaps thats why Todd had a problem with it.You're saying it dosen't have a lot of sexual content, so when it adds sexual things to something that didn't have or need it, he just didn't like it.
But that hasn't stooped you from attempting to insult or make mass generalizations about people who you perceive as the "other" simply because they may have said I wasn't a fan of "this" which then you extrapolate as "I hate fanservice" I hate people who like fanserice" "I hate any display of sexuality". Because that's what they clearly meant when they said "Yeah I wasn't a fan of this harmless and fun action show putting boobs in my face".
Well, actually you're doing it now.
I mean you're argument is the definition of "taking it to the extremes". You literally are pushing Todd's "I don't like this fanserivce" as him being afraid of cleavage. He never said anything like that. He's talking about one specific case. You are are trying to make this his entire world view and then going off on random tangents.
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Emerje
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Zoro nothing, they moved the entire image down just enough to hide Luffy's chest behind the logo! I don't know If it was his naked chest or the scar that they found more offensive. 
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IZFSLE
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You keep referring to "Todd". I'm guessing he's the person who wrote the article. I didn't even read the article so none of this has been a reply at your buddy Todd. It's been 100% directly to people like YOU.
Not once has One Piece "put boobs in your face". The boobs in OP aren't fantasy-big, either. Once again, you know NOTHING since you haven't seen the show. So, stop talking about it. I don't give a shit about the rest of your garbage post. I was talking about your unjustified and wrong opinion of a show you've never seen. Not once did I say "mental issues"either. Once again, you're the spin doctor and a complete stiff. 1) Did I mention you're a stiff? 2) What you consider male jerkoff fantasies are normal characters. Whoever is in your avatar most be a jerkoff fantasy since they have sexual organs. 3) I'm not even going to take the time out of my life to read your long rant spewing endless garbage of your completely religious and unjustified opinion of what is too sexual and what is not. Good day, Jordan Coleman. I'm done replying to some jerkoff on the internet. I live pretty close to you, so if you want to take your hitler opinions to a local starbucks or something, I'd be more than happy to join you. Last edited by IZFSLE on Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:06 am; edited 2 times in total |
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fuuma_monou
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Um, if you haven't read the article, why are you posting in the comments? |
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IZFSLE
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Um, because this is a forum, not a comments section. I never replied directly to the article, so I don't see what the problem is. I replied to a post that was off-topic from the article. |
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eragon2890
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Rahxephon91, I myself love ecchi anime and fanservice. It just adds that bit of naughtyness and sexual appeal, and off course I love to watch big titties .You and I already agree there's nothing wrong with that, I just don't understand why, if there's nothing wrogn with it, you feel the need to complain about it in some show or another which you don't even watch? (also, if you, like you say multiple times, think there's nothing wrong with fanservice, then why on earth
I mean we agree that's there's no problem with it and that's it fine these shows exist, so then why not just let the ecchi harem fans like me and the majority of otaku ecchi/moe anime-lovers/convention-goers watch what they enjoy and enjoy other shows like knights of sidonia and the like which don't any of this yourself??? I love fanservice, I really don't care what others think because I know for a fact that the vast majority of my friends, boy/girls both, and people I'm gonna meet at animecons like it too so I just enjoy what I want with all my otaku friends and /care. Some people don't like fanservice, well they didn't 5 years ago either, and 10 years, and there's a lot more fanservice now then ever before because most people like it and it sells. So /care. I like fanservice, I'm happy iwht anime as it is, it's obvious that fanservice and big boobs are here to stay (thankfully they're getting company of sexy dudes but that's fun too so jay !), so you won't hear me complain or act like there's a war going on, ever. I don't care  But I do wonder how you can call it 'objectionable' earlier if you think there's nothing wrong with it Not that I care, just curious.
I have a huge T&A wallscroll of HOTD in my room it's there because it's softporn and I'm a huge perv, I love it, I get you don't have a problem with that, but then why talk about ti in a show you don't care about? Or were you really just trying to defend Todd explaining he doesn't have to be an idiot and this is not about your own opinion? Because then I agree and haven't said anyhting
but yea personally I love ecchi and moe shows, I'm happy that there are so many smexy chickies and dudes (I'm bi xD) in animu It's one of the primary reasons I love it over western stuff. I also like cosplay porn (live-action), so yeah, I'm a perv w
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Juno016
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Erm... well... it never USED to... But being a huge One Piece fan myself, I've noticed ESPECIALLY after the 2-year-skip, we've gotten not just bigger boobs for the two main characters, but... also lots of jigglies, barely any girls with smaller boobs, and lots of boob jokes (Momonosuke, Brook, Sanji, and let's not forget the mermaid princess). Before the time skip, it was limited to only a few minor fanservice scenes, one of which was somewhat disturbing, with Nami seemingly almost getting raped by tiger-face dude from Thriller Bark. I'm personally indifferent to the fanservice in One Piece. Nami and Robin are two of my favorite characters of the group, but I don't find them visually attractive. They're certainly more than just a lump of walking boobs in the story and they still feel like integral characters that make the story that much better with them than without them. But I'd side with Rahzenphon91 on saying that lately, the boobs in One Piece have been a bit too ridiculous. It may not take away from what One Piece is and has done in the past to have them there (especially since One Piece is filled with lots of hilarious stereotypes and exaggerations that are played a bit tongue-in-cheek, so in a way, they fit), but it also certainly doesn't make it any more respectable in that regard. I could do without the big boobs, for sure. As for the censorship... the cover is there to help sell the game. Anyone who is a One Piece fan and wants it in the first place will pick it up regardless, but the censorship could be the difference between a parent picking up the game for their kid or deciding it's too sexual and turning toward something else instead. As compared to the very few who may pick it up because they see big boobs or the very few who will put it back on the shelf because they're just that attentive to [arguably?] "obvious" censorship. I personally don't like censorship. But I also don't like that anyone who sees One Piece may think it's got a ton of fanservice in it just because Nami and Robin and practically every female in the series has had giant boobs for the last several years of its run. |
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enurtsol
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And people forget that the gatekeepers are the shops. Quite sure that publishers take the retailers perspectives into account. If the shops don't want any trouble vs. how much sales gain or loss, etc. Without the shops' support, many customers wouldn't even see the product, which would hurt the publisher. |
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