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NEWS: Frozen Home Video Tops Evangelion, Spirited Away's All-Time Records With 1.5 Million in Japan


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Lavnovice9



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:38 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
I'm all for the success in Japan if it means scaled figures and doujinshi at Comiket. But I don't think it's quite caught on with otaku yet, since the pixiv art is either all westerners or Japanese artists who mostly do the cutesy western style.


That's generally how it is though. Disney isn't popular with anime fans in Japan, it's popular with the normals. Not much overlap there. Unless Disney directly hires someone like Bandai or Good Smile to make figures it probably wont happen. It's always possible though. I know Marvel and DC hire Japanese companies to make figures sometimes. DC has the 'Bishoujo' figures and Marvel has some movie figuarts.

Doujinshi though you can just forget about. Disney wont be hiring anyone for that and the fact there's zero stuff despite how huge it is kinda shows it's not popular with the anime audience.

Cptn_Taylor wrote:
Talking out of your ass eh ?
The amount of shit western fans will throw on the japanese when a western animation film does well over there (and gets more sells than the oh so godly acclaimed ghibli studio films) is frankly speaking pathetic to the extreme.


It's totally valid to point out that ranking high on a BD chart with a DVD release isn't a very good comparison because DVD and BD are separate markets in Japan. DVD is more for mainstream titles while BD is more for otaku titles so it's kind of unfair. It'd be nice to see Frozen's numbers for each if they were split, but we won't ever know. But we can look at previous Disney and Pixar titles which have split DVD and BD sales and see a huge disprepency in the numbers so it's reasonable to suggust the same would have happened here.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:14 pm Reply with quote
Of course Disney won't hire anyone for doujinshi, doujinshi are fanworks made for the love of something. I'm just saying it would have been nice to see some produced, erotic or not. Like MLP took off for the Japanese furry crowd and that thing gets relatively many for being a western property and among a small niche of Japanese furry artists.
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Lavnovice9



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:23 pm Reply with quote
I think furry is the only real way the Japanese will bother with American stuff usually. Since anime doesn't really cater to the furry crowd they have to look to western productions which have heavy furry pandering. I dunno how attractive they actually think the Disney girls are compared to anime girls.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:57 pm Reply with quote
You could say that Frozen is freezing the competition.

*ba dum tisk*
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:34 pm Reply with quote
Just be happy for Japan that something that Japanese like.

If this was anime that people don't particularly care too much for, this wouldn't even bother people as much.


Lavnovice9 wrote:

Doujinshi though you can just forget about. Disney wont be hiring anyone for that and the fact there's zero stuff despite how huge it is kinda shows it's not popular with the anime audience.


Or just that Disney is a litigious company in the first place. Japanese tend to avoid stuff where there's good chance to be taken to court - they tend to be rule followers to a fault and not rebels.


Lavnovice9 wrote:

I dunno how attractive they actually think the Disney girls are compared to anime girls.


Or they may see something besides beauty that's skin deep.
Better question is, wonder if anime fans can appreciate girls who are not attractive?
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iloveturkey



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:15 pm Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
JOr they may see something besides beauty that's skin deep.
Better question is, wonder if anime fans can appreciate girls who are not attractive?


Oh please, Tumblr and paheal are filled to the brim with Frozen smut. Let's not even try to imply the Frozen fanbase is above such things.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:34 am Reply with quote
iloveturkey wrote:
enurtsol wrote:

Or they may see something besides beauty that's skin deep.
Better question is, wonder if anime fans can appreciate girls who are not attractive?

Oh please, Tumblr and paheal are filled to the brim with Frozen smut. Let's not even try to imply the Frozen fanbase is above such things.


We were talking about the Japanese.
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SUPER_METR0lD wrote:
I really don't understand the runaway success of Frozen. It's a good movie, but it's not exactly great either. Personally, I found Tangled to be far superior in pretty much every way.
There isn't a single aspect in which Tangled is even comparable to Frozen, let alone far superior. And i liked that movie too because it was fun and had good characters, but that's pretty much all about it. It doesn't even try to do things that are the focus of Frozen.

bellabee wrote:
I liked frozen but I feel kinda pissed cus its nowhere near as good as spirited away.

I fail to see any basis for comparison. Could they be more different?


Greed1914 wrote:


I'm basically in the same boat. I haven't seen these movies, but I've always been inclined to watch Tangled at some point. Nothing about Frozen made me want to watch it.

Regardless, I'm not too sure on what the appeal is, though. They all seem to be standard Disney movie material, so I don't quite know why Frozen is blowing up like it is. Although, I do have a good excuse to see it, since my three-year-old niece loves Frozen, so I could just watch it with her the next time I come for a visit. My brother-in-law would probably appreciate it since he wouldn't have to watch it with her again for the umpteenth time.

Because it's a very well made (insta) classic in the vein of those from the Renaissance, with deep story and themes that talk directly to millions of people, lots of symbolism, great soundtrack, lovable characters, outstanding visuals and some shattering of old Disney stereotypes. If you understand why the movie shows some things the way it does, you won't have a single problem with it.
My personal advice: don't let the hype (or the hate from people pissed off by its success because *reasons*) influence you in any way, or you'll risk to miss out on something really great.
Knoepfchen wrote:
Tangled was so much more engaging, emotionally.


Emotionally? Really? Jeez.

Like i said in the other topic, the real problem some people have with Frozen is another one. And has nothing to do with the quality of the movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:57 am Reply with quote
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You can view it however you want, but you are just making up your own definition of "hype."
Those people are not buying the videos because they want to make you think that the movie is good. They are buying the videos because they think that the movie is worth having.
That is not hype.


Yeah, all these people are going gaga over this film that's not worth it. That's being overrated. The hype surrounding this film was for nothing. Hence it was OVER-HYPED.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:52 am Reply with quote
MetalUpa1014 wrote:
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You can view it however you want, but you are just making up your own definition of "hype."
Those people are not buying the videos because they want to make you think that the movie is good. They are buying the videos because they think that the movie is worth having.
That is not hype.


Yeah, all these people are going gaga over this film that's not worth it. That's being overrated. The hype surrounding this film was for nothing. Hence it was OVER-HYPED.

What, in your opinion, would make a movie "worth it"? Did you read about the impact the movie is having on Japanese women? It was marketed to grown women in Japan, and they enjoy it because it speaks to them. The movie is at once feminine and feminist, as well as musical, which one could expect to resonate in the land of the Terazuka Revue. I'm starting to wonder if the backlash against the film has something to do with how female focused it is. People don't wonder why millions the world over buy into Hollywood's myriad offerings of superhero and macho action films. But a Disney movie about sisters? "Undeserving," "Overhyped," etc, etc.
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Ali07 wrote:
I've been told to watch this movie by a few people. The 3 same reasons were given:
- It looks beautiful
- Great soundtrack
- The whole spoiler[girl saves the other girl/sisterly love] angle

But, unfortunately, those 3 points aren't "selling points" for me.

That last point doesn't bother me, in the sense that I don't care about spoilers. They knew that going in, so it is no big deal for me. I know that some people hate being spoiled. I've had things spoiled for me many times, and it doesn't seem to take any of my enjoyment away.

It's great that it has had a lot of success, even in Japan. The thing that I've gotten out of the discussions about Frozen is this - I should check out Tangled. Laughing


Or maybe you should watch both, selling points or not (also, those 3 are not the only reasons why Frozen is so great), since these are completely different movies with completely different purposes. The only thing they have in common is the singing (which is also pretty bad in Tangled, aside from i see the light). Honestly, the only reason some people keep comparing these movies it's because they feel the need to undermine Frozen with any argument they can come up with, including silly and biased comparisons with a movie that doesn't even try (nor want) to do things that make Frozen special, because it goes in another direction entirely and it's good in its own way.

MetalUpa1014 wrote:
Yeah, all these people are going gaga over this film that's not worth it. That's being overrated. The hype surrounding this film was for nothing. Hence it was OVER-HYPED.

Says who? You?

Ahahahah

There's a million reasons why the success of Frozen is more than deserved, if you don't like it that's YOUR problem. Don't try to force your opinion to the world, it's a stupid and childish thing to do that would also never work, especially when objectively speaking the truth is the opposite of what you think. Also, seems pretty clear that you don't really understand what hype means.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:36 am Reply with quote
Lavnovice9 wrote:


Doujinshi though you can just forget about. Disney wont be hiring anyone for that and the fact there's zero stuff despite how huge it is kinda shows it's not popular with the anime audience.
I think it's more that authors and artists know if they ever published a Disney doujin. Disney's got the where-with-alls to smack them with a lawsuit right quick as soon as it was discovered. None of the other usual suspects have that power so have to deal with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:05 pm Reply with quote
When people who don't care about or dislike a show, hear how great a show is from other people who like it or love it, some get mad and say it is over-rated or over-hyped.

Then when the show sells well, the excuses and down-playing comes into fore.

Personally, I love the movie, and everyone I know that has kids, has bought the DVD or BD, and has watched it repeatedly. Really, repeatedly. If that is not a sign of great success, then I don't know what is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:11 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Lavnovice9 wrote:


Doujinshi though you can just forget about. Disney wont be hiring anyone for that and the fact there's zero stuff despite how huge it is kinda shows it's not popular with the anime audience.
I think it's more that authors and artists know if they ever published a Disney doujin. Disney's got the where-with-alls to smack them with a lawsuit right quick as soon as it was discovered. None of the other usual suspects have that power so have to deal with it.


Would Disney really pay attention to Japanese conventions Laughing? It seems like American stuff would be even easier to do since the source material isn't even in the same country as the copyright infringement. It wouldn't stop Pixiv.. and you can find Disney porn on tons of American sites which Disney apparently isn't going after so I wonder about how much Disney cares.
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EnzoM87 wrote:
Or maybe you should watch both, selling points or not (also, those 3 are not the only reasons why Frozen is so great), since these are completely different movies with completely different purposes.

Eh, nothing in promo materials made it feel like a movie "for me". Others tried to sell me on it, but nothing sounded interesting to me. Won't be watching it, and I was kind of being sarcastic with Tangled.

The discussion on the movie in this thread has brought some things to light, but nothing that makes me want to see the movie.
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