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Kikaioh
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You're being a backseat driver armchair general. It's arrogant to accuse the industry of being greed-hungry sue-hounds, just because they're not willing to take a risk on reverse importation. Not surprisingly, when it's so very easy and free to pirate content, it's clear you lose sight of the actual real cost that goes behind creating these works. When it takes $100,000 - $300,000 just to make a single episode of an anime, and hundreds of people spending decades of their lives honing their craft, your offhand complaints and accusations that they're not willing to risk financial loss comes across as wholly unreasonable, absolutely ridiculous self-indulgent whining. If you think that sort of incredibly expensive risk is worth it, then risk it yourself --- complaining about how other people ought to risk their money and very livelihoods, esp. if you have no direct first-hand experience or stake in the workings of the industry, is obnoxious.
Again, file 'sharing' isn't the same as sharing a physical object. Modern file 'sharing' actually involves the additional step of making a copy that you give to another person. Unlike real-world sharing of physical objects, file-sharing ultimately produces an intact copy of the original, so instead of the second person possessing your original copy, you both now possess a copy of the work. It would be like making a physical copy of a book/vinyl record/cassette/vhs that you then give to another person --- that's more than simply sharing, that's copyright infringement. |
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Touma
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That is not true. A smart entrepreneur will not invest money in a project just because there is a chance that he might not lose his investment. He will consider the possibilities and not spend his money unless he thinks that he will probably make a profit. And I do not think that entrepreneurship is the issue in regards to piracy. Wanting to stop the pirates does not mean that the producers might not change some of their methods of marketing and distribution to something similar to some of the things that the pirates are doing. It just means that the people who own the products want to be in control of their products. I see stopping piracy and innovation to the anime industry as two separate issues. |
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TarsTarkas
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It really is a useless venture. The article says the main push is against China. They can't do anything effective, without the support of the Government of China. Who sees that happening anytime soon.
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ian137
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This region block and license problem is not new it's been there for a long time and i wish Japanese govt started take measures around this problem more. Ok! lets say they got success in their in there "anti piracy" program and all the websites have been closed. have they ever given the thought what about would to happened to us? There is almost 0 kind online transmission system in our country no way we can pay them online and watch anime and read manga. yep there are not much fans in our country so MAY be we should quit. "doremon" is really popular among kids in our country. If anyone wants to make money just draw-print some "doremon" picture some kid or (his parents for him) will definitely buy it. Before "doremon", "DBZ" was popular like this and now they is also "Beyblade: Metal Fusion". But sadly people call it cartoon not anime. We have huge population are I am sure if Japanese govt sell "Doremon" or "DBZ stuff at the rate of they sell in their country they they would earn a lot even if these anime is really old. But of course no one is up for the risk. Just because they think they wont get minimum it doesn't mean they won't get more than that. |
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agila61
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This is more an issue for the anime industry to get together on to resolve, to develop standard contract terms which simplify the approval of simulcast and (later) catalog streaming for niche markets. Individually, those markets are not lucrative, but if anime can increase its ability to have income-generating distribution into all of those fringe markets, then taken together its possible that new revenue sources might emerge. Plus, if its done so that it doesn't impose additional contracting costs on the licensors, then that would solve the problem of "it costs us money to stream to you ... because what we had to pay a lawyer to look over the contract was more than the revenue the contract would generate".
Likely not. For most of those companies, their focus will normally be on the markets that are generating revenue now, and how to increase that revenue, not the more speculative ideas about how to generate additional revenue from countries that are not currently generating much money for them.
Fans of anime wouldn't want that, and some people in the industry are also fans of anime ... but if the upside revenue potential is not strong, they do need to have systems were they can be confident that there is no big downside either. Given that, what kind of quality of video do people demand? And what kind of equipment do people normally use to watch it? Its possible that there is a market segment where its the video resolution that is the protection against reverse import. If there was some standard low resolution which would still be of interest in many of the current overlooked low income country markets, there might be less resistance to looser restrictions on the digital distribution of that current anime that fell under that threshold. The key there would be getting a substantial number of international licensors to agree on a common standard, to make it worth while one or more of the international streaming distributors to set up to distribute anime under the looser restrictions applying to anime under that standard. Indeed, if part of the M.A.G. process involves an opening to get innovative ideas about how to market their work across the so-called "digital divide" in front of a substantial number of anime companies, so that a few of them can experiment with them and see if they work, that seems like it might be the most useful thing that could come out of the process. Obviously the M.A.G. people would be most likely to be thinking of something like that as window dressing, but if its a useful opening, the original rationale for doing it is not a problem.
It would be the companies, not the Japanese government. The government ministry is being brought in to help negotiate with the Chinese government to put some teeth into their commitments in the last year or two to better address piracy. But for this side of things, the important part is the number of different companies in the Japanese anime industry that have got together to be involved in this process. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Untrue ... the need to work out the argument in detail for the specific market in question does not hobble innovation at all, since innovators do not invest money based on a broad sweeping argument ... they invest money by working through the specific details of the market in question. Inventors don't always do that, but that gets into the substantial differences between invention and innovation.
Another example of the sloppiness of your argument, which renders it fairly useless for persuading anyone who doesn't already agree with you: the fact that some company producing content of some type in the United States follows that strategy doesn't actually prove anything about either companies in other markets, or companies in other countries. |
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revolutionotaku
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The Japanese government passed an anti-downloading law back in 2012.
The digital music industry dropped 24% one year later in 2013. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-30/1-year-after-japan-stricter-download-law-music-sales-stagnate |
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phifedawg
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5 seconds on google, found some fun graphs here: http://musicbusinessresearch.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/the-recorded-music-market-in-japan-1990-2013/ |
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agila61
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From the article that phifedawg linked to: "In 2008, the digital music sales peaked at an all-time high of ¥ 91.0bn (EUR 644.6m)." So because of a law passed in 2012, digital music sales peaked in 2008 and then began to decline. Ooooooooooooh Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then. That clearly explains it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For those who want to push on the "make it accessible" angle, there's a Change.org petition to CODA from a Latin American angle at: https://www.change.org/petitions/content-overseas-distribution-association-c-o-d-a-manga-anime-anti-piracy-committee-stop-online-anime-piracy-by-making-it-accessible |
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Touma
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I think that this is a good point. The people who want to convince us that piracy is a good thing will say that sales decreased because the law was passed, but you can also say that the law was passed because sales were dropping. And those people will point out that the law did not stop the decrease in sales, which is true. But that does not mean that the law was harmful to sales, or just useless. Nobody here knows how the sales would have changed if the law had not been passed. They could have gotten much worse without the law. I do not think that any law has ever eliminated any crime. But laws can still be necessary just to keep things from getting worse. |
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st_owly
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Re: the anti downloading law. I'm going to be writing my dissertation on the Japanese music industry, and from my research what I've found is that people are so scared that they might be using illegal sources, that they've just reduced/stopped downloading music from /any/ sources. Sony has done very well to ensure that Japan is the largest market for CDs in the world....
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Touma
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I suspected that this might be the reason for the decrease in legal downloads. Is there any indication that people are being educated about how to find the legal sources? |
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st_owly
Posts: 5234 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland |
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Information is quite scarce, but the record labels and technology companies are doing their best to provide information about legal sources. A lot of mobile networks now have partnerships with music streaming and download services, for instance, and are starting to include music downloads as part of mobile phone subscriptions. The main thing though, is that the new law means that downloading is now a criminal offence not just a civil one, and you can spend a couple of years in jail for it. That combined with the shame it would bring on your family, and it's kind of understandable why people are so wary. Ignorance of the legality of the source/the law is also specifically not a defense.
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