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BWLJ
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So Kaneki's torture was really underplayed from the manga, as were a couple of other things. Felt kind of disappointing.
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kayori1928
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Considering the manga is done in a month, which I can't see how it can be done, I can guarantee there will be no anime sequel. |
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Zweite
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Kaneki got all his ghoul prowess from Rize and it's been stated before somewhere in the manga that the type of ghoul she was had the ability to regenerate faster than other ghouls, IIRC. |
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Mac11
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This final episode was really bad. Instead of finally get character development Kaneki was brainwashed by Rize and went completely crazy (plus with a new look). If after analise his past (and present) he got new conclusions and went in offensive would be ok. But no, he plays the loser for all the episode and close to the end "ok, i will be a bad boy now". That guy is not Kaneki anymore, he died and Rize personality took the control over his body. There's absolution nothing from Kaneki in that new character full of confidence and battle experience. This is even worse than a half-ass character development, the author just switch a loser character with a badass one.
Thats aside, that inconclusive ending was even worse. Yeah, it was like EVA, but i hate EVA last episode. Instead of explain everything they just throw a psychological bullshit episode on you and "the end". TG went from score 8 to 5 for me in 1 episode. |
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BWLJ
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So for you wondering about Jason near the end: Some they didn't explain in the anime was that when a ghoul regularly practice cannibalism sometimes their RC cells (what their predatory organs are made up off) can mutate and they develop a secondary predatory organ. But this takes long years of eating other ghouls. But the thing about it is that it never stops. The more you cannibalize the more you mutate, and the mutation can go so far as to turn you into some completely monstrous (more so then normal ghouls). A dedicated ghoul cannibal can, with time, become a monster among monsters (I know I'm ripping off that line from somewhere, just don't know where).
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Animelover12313
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Interesting view that you've got there MAC. I thought that this episode was more like Kaneki was all this time living in a lie that he would be happy as long as people aren't hurt and that he can be hurt in their steads. We can see that his mother left him with this ideology. However, deep inside he was really hurt because his mother chose to help his aunt instead and exhaust herself and die leaving him alone. But he continued to live in this lie thinking: "Hey, I'm hurt so others won't, it's what my mom would want." And after being broken completely by Rize showing what would happen with his indecisiveness as what we've seen how the couple was killed right before his eyes because he couldn't choose who will live and who will die. Rize just basically brought out the real feelings that Kaneki buried deep inside saying how he wanted how his mother would have just disregard the aunt and care about him instead. He now has his eyes to this whole new ideology that it's a 1-1 thing where you cannot save everything. To save one thing, you have to give up the other and so he was completely shattered. And it was all Kaneki lolz, Rize was died and eaten by Kaneki in his thought remember? He finally embraced to what he is, a ghoul.
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Hellwarden
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I can completely understand that why people are angry and frustrated with the final episode.
That said, I think it was a fantastically well made episode. I actually totally bought Kaneki transformation from a understandable sympathetic character into a wretched hateful monster. And that in a single episode is a feat. |
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Mac11
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The main problem is Kaneki new personality. No one changes like this. A person don't goes from a loser to a confident badass only because he/she change his/her mind about something. It ends looking more like they switched the main character for another person than a character development to me. Sure, you can change a character personality, but it takes time and "a lot" of reflection and bad/good experiences. Kaneki got his personality completely twisted in 20 minutes. I don't see anything from the old Kaneki in there, just a new character. |
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CookieBun
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As a standalone episode I think they did a great job, especially compared to the train-wreck that were the previous couple episodes. The visuals were nice and effective and they brought in some of the necessary gore that was missing in the previous episode's torture scenes. It's just too bad it's awkward as heck as an ending because nothing is resolved. You're just left numb.
People were (understandably) bitter about things being condensed, but as an anime-only viewer I thought the story was good until the final arc. I didn't have to have read the manga to know things were rushed like crazy. Events just happened one after another with no build up or suspense and by last week's episode it was just straight up horrible to watch. I went ahead and read the manga after last week and the story has lots of things after this that would have been great to see adapted. I don't expect it, but it'd be great to see a complete remake in the future, maybe when the second series (there's no way the story's done as it is now) is nearing the end. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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You're right, it is. And in my opinion, Tokyo Ghoul failed in that regard, just as virtually every other show that has attempted such an audacious (and perhaps arrogant?) move has. That being said, I can't help but give the production team props for having the guts to devote an entire episode to that and nothing else. I certainly can't accuse them of refusing to take risks. That's not to say I thought TG was bad though. The show was pretty good overall. As I've said before, it was clearly better than Terror in Resonance and Aldnoah.zero, two shows that alternated between awful dialogue, ridiculous writing decisions, and occasional flashes of brilliance in action or intrigue. In contrast, Tokyo Ghoul was fairly consistent with above-average dialogue (especially the scenes involving Mado/Amon or the Anteiku crew), a solid and unique overall narrative that rarely ever veered off course, and a bunch of characters with... well... character. Tokyo Ghoul has been very entertaining, though in some respects it is a kind of "dark pleasure" type of show, because the world of TG is so bleak and hopeless. It's interesting, but you can kind of compare TG and Akame ga Kill! in that way. Both shows take place in a very dark world, but in AgK hope does exist, it's just being championed by a bunch of assassins. In TG, the most one could realistically hope for is the least gruesome death possible. The other big difference between the two shows though, and probably my number one gripe with TG, is that Kaneki spends 11 episodes standing still for the most part. Yes, he does technically get "changed" by his encounter with Rize, but his overall character doesn't seem to transform at all as a result. He's still the same happy go lucky weakling who barely tries to improve himself in this ruthless, "man-eat-man" world. We can't even have the pleasure of rooting for him as he gets the crap beaten out of him like Rinka from Tokyo ESP, because he doesn't even really try to fight for what he believes in. He's a truly pitiful creature for 11 episodes. Then, in episode 12, we are supposed to watch spoiler[him be tortured in the most grotesque, SAW like fashion, watch him spill gallons and gallons and gallons of blood, lose countless digits and limbs, and be eaten from the inside numerous times by freakish bugs, and then suddenly have this moment of enlightenment.] Suddenly, it's all supposed to click, even though we never knew prior to now what exactly was going to click and where it would click together. We knew nothing of spoiler[his mother prior to episode 12, or his aunt, or his father. We knew nothing about his feelings for any of them. There wasn't even a hint as far as I can recall. We didn't have inklings of his motivations tied to their fates.] One way to describe Kaneki's development in episode 12 is Blitzkrieg. Everything comes at once... spoiler[the flashbacks, the loneliness, the feelings of abandonment, and the self-regret. It's all combined with non-stop torture porn turned up to 1,000,000%.] Like I said, I certainly agree it was a bold move, but it felt superficial without proper foundation. Maybe I could sum it up like this... It was like one of those rich people paintings where the artist takes a bunch of different colors on a big brush and splashes them over a canvas while full of emotion and rage, and then sells it for tens of thousands of dollars. The buyer pays top dollar for a visceral and powerful flood of emotion in visual form, but nothing else. |
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Adam Wednesdays
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Pretty much agree with everything in this review. The last episode might not really work as "end of a story," but as the culmination of a character's story? And as a self-contained episode? It was amazing. Probably my favorite single episode of the year. The direction in this show has always been its biggest asset, and that really shows here. I was cringing every time one of those red flowers bloomed. Which isn't to say that the writing wasn't keeping up with the direction, because it definitely was. It got through a lot of story very quickly, but still had all the important emotional beats in it.
I'm a sucker for episodes like this, where a character's mental strain is dramatized. I also love it when a show successfully portrays a character's fall while still making them relatable, or at least making it understandable how they could go so wrong. And yeah, I was also going to comment about just how on the nose the lyrics to the opening were. Like, REALLY on the nose. |
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bobob101
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I think that if you judge this as an episode, it was undeniably amazing. You are presented with almost the entirety of what makes up Kaneki, then see it all break apart. The fight at the end was well choreographed, and Yamori is genuinely frightening. But as a finale it leaves much wanting. We saw owl appear, the siblings face off, and many other interesting confrontations. But absolutely none of that was addressed.
And if you feel disappointed by this shows ending, just wait till you get to the manga's ending. Talk about leaving them wanting more. |
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Hellwarden
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I read about the manga ending, just holy goddamn shit people. Talk about giving the readers no answers at all.... This was a more conclusive ending than the manga ending. There's gotta be a sequel to this right? The writer really wouldn't just leave the story there would he? It was selling well as far as I knew, so it's not financial reasons I think. Maybe he's just bored with the series? |
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EmbraceMe
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Manga spoilers so anime viewers beware. The colored page of Touka in the final chapter contained some text which read: spoiler[SEE YOU NEXT]. It's hard to distinguish but closeups of the page revealed it. As far as speculations go, this is the end of spoiler[Kaneki's tragic story. People speculate that the unconfirmed sequel will have a new protagonist (most likely Touka).] |
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HaruhiToy
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Man that was brutal to watch.
The worst of it is Kaneki picked up Jason's irritating one-handed knuckle cracking habit. And those saying that he is a "just" a new character in place of Kaneki are dead wrong. He's the same character all right, but unleashed from his mental prison his mom built for him. He actually owes Jason and Rize for it. You won't get tougher tough love than that. Interesting that apparently Jason went through the same thing. What I really want to see is how he relates to his friends that came (too late) to rescue him. If they animate that there's no way I'm not watching it. |
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