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JacobC
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Out of curiosity, what happens to Kaneki after this? If the manga really ends that abruptly, I'm probably not going to read it after all. So in broad terms and spoiler tags or whatever, what happens to Kaneki after the end of episode 12...? |
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Rensie
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Bad adaption, they remove 80% of the manga content and compress 66 chapters into 12 episodes, not to mention is heavy censored and they change a lots of parts (expecially the torture scenes and people involved in that arc).
If they have make another serie like this is better if they don't do it at all. Manga 100 times > anime. Last edited by Rensie on Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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EmbraceMe
 Posts: 2013 Location: Growing old and jaded. |
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@JesusOtaku
I believe Hellwarden's question about a sequel was in regards to the manga and my response was to that. But if you do want me to talk about what occurs after episode 12, I don't mind doing so. It'll be pretty difficult for me to do but I'll try my best to describe it as vaguely as possible. In addition, this adaption covers about half of the chapters, up to the early 70s. So, warnings again just to be safe. MANGA SPOILERS (of events after ep12): spoiler[Kaneki defeats Jason and leaves the building he's contained in. He fights various small members on his way out and then faces bigger fish(es). After all the fighting is done, he decides to leave the Anteiku group for his own reasons.] /end spoilers Hopefully I addressed the events vague enough. I can't help but feel that it's not broad enough. . . Anyhow, I do encourage those who enjoy the anime to read the manga (from the beginning) if they can even if the manga ended with many questions unanswered. It world builds better and I think the manga Kaneki is a better character -- he's more fleshed out. |
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AnimenexuS
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i hope Tokyo Ghoul does a sequel. That don't even feel like a ending at all.
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OH&S
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Well... spoiler[he basically turns into this ridiculously badass character and gets back at the immediate and important Aogiri Tree members in this arc (Jason and Ayato) in a spectacular way. Just one more rushed episode would have finished the arc and been a better endpoint for the anime. Then a small timeskip to tell the second half of the story.] As abrupt as the manga ending is. There are clues all around that indicate that this was ridiculously well planned. There are 4 major clues that support this. 1. The secret message as explained by EmbraceMe 2. The title of Chapter 72 is Halfway. The final chapter is Chapter 143. 3. The hidden meaning of the name Anteiku. 4. The revelation of who's been pulling the strings behind most of the incidents and the fact that it was hinted at in the extras in the tankoubon release. The amount of planning that went into this is on par with the likes of Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece and Toaru Majutsu no Index. The only difference is how densely packed the clues are in this 3.5 year manga compared to those long running series. The story basically ended after setting up more than enough plot elements for a sequel. To compare this to Kuroko no Basket that also had a surprise ending: it would be like ending KnB when they reveal the final member of the Generation of Miracles just before the Winter Cup starts. |
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JacobC
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Okay, let's assume for the moment (because it's true) that the only things I care about in this story are the character arcs of Kaneki, Touka, and Amon. Worldbuilding and conspiracy plots and etc. aside, does the "abruptly concluded" manga give those characters an interesting arc and solid closure or no? If so, then I'll happily go ahead and read it. If not, I'm probably better off ignorant. ^^; |
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OH&S
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To the extreme relief of the fanbase and both you and me, YES. By the end, Kaneki's character does get some closure. Character remains paramount for the entirety of the story. As for Touka and Amon's character arcs, there is enough hints to suggest that their story will be continued at a later date in a strongly hinted sequel for reasons given in my previous post. Since Kaneki's character is given COMPLETE closure, the manga concluded as he was the central MC. The only thing that abruptly concluded was the serialization. |
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serrayak
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Tokyo Ghoul was probably my favorite show of the season. I've heard a lot of complaints about it cutting out stuff from the manga, but part of what I liked about the anime was the fact that everything was constantly moving. There was always a strong narrative drive and with the exception of the gourmet arc, it was always tied in with the development of the characters, which made it really engaging to watch.
I also really respect the way the series portrayed the diffferent sides of the main conflict, in that it doesn't really side with any of them. The idea that everybody is at fault is a common theme in the whole circle of hate kind of narratives, but it still often ends up with either one side being obviously more wrong then the other, or with both sides not really being guilty of much other than misunderstanding eachother. In Tokyo Ghoul, both sides do things that are inexcusable. spoiler[The investigators kill a mother, but as revenge Touka kills one of the investigators.] The entire first arc is about how ghouls are just as human as any other person, and yet the first ghoul we meet is someone perfectly willing to kill some random human boy just to sate her appetite. And though all these things are reprehensible, the series also rejects the other extreme of simply turning the other cheek and doing nothing. spoiler[Hell, the entire last episode is about how Kaneki's selflessness and self-sacrifice is in reality an extremely selfish and weak thing to do, and this can to a certain point be extended to the entirety Anteiku.] It's a show that doesn't know the right anwser to the conflict, but is still willing to reject both Rise's and Kaneki's philosophies as wrong, and I kinda respect that. |
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Ahridan
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I haven't read the manga and so i watched this as a standalone anime, and i loved it! Way too many people who read the manga feel self entitled to a anime that follows it directly and complain when the anime doesn't. I mean really, if you had to choose between this adaptation or none at all, you would choose the adaptation.
I don't see why these intense fandoms dislike the anime so much, if it missed bits of the manga why does it matter? You have read the manga so already know the parts that were skipped |
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daichi383
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Well I was pretty satisfied. Didn't really care about the stuff that wasn't resolved but I'd rather have something this well directed besides some pacing issues than a never ending mediocre adaptation like Fairy Tail or something. As long as Kaneki's character arc is complete it feels pretty conclusive to me. Everything else was decent world building but in the end superfluous.
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Shadowrun20XX
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I read up to ch 22 so far. The Tokyo Ghoul manga is well, boring. But if it's getting a sequel it must be doing something right. Right?
Pity-cour maybe? Or it might be because I'm fresh off from reading all of GANTZ and up to date on Teraformars. |
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swienke
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Since I was away for two weeks without internet access I only just had the chance to catch up with the last two episodes and I'm honestly pretty darn pleased. Episode 11 was kind of rushed and I'm not really sure what the point of some of the changes they made to the anime version in that episode were (though the changes weren't necessarily bad...), but episode 12 was beautifully, exhaustingly brutal and emotional even for a manga reader like me who knew what to expect.
However, I do understand some of the complaints about the last episode's character development being too rushed, which is the one major area where I think the anime adaptation's changes were for the worse. The manga does a better job of having Kaneki slowly develop more spine and display flashes of cold tactical acumen before his torture epiphany, so that although his transformation is still shocking it feels sufficiently foreshadowed. Since I'm familiar with the manga's version of events and, despite my best attempts at regarding the manga and anime as two separate works tend to have my feelings for one of the versions bleed over into my feelings for the other, the last episode worked for me, but without that manga background I probably would have felt that it was rushed. As for how the manga handles the character arcs up until it's end, I'm going to disagree with OH&S here MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD (though I'll try to be as vague as possible): spoiler[Kaneki's last scenes in the manga are vague and (probably deliberately) confusing, but they suggest that Kaneki is undergoing a mental and emotional transformation almost as extreme as what we were shown in episode 12. However, because of the vagueness it's hard to say what the actual nature of that transformation is (though I have my guesses) and we really never get to see what the actual ramifications of it are either. So to say that his character development is complete seems very premature to me. This is ultimately why I'm 99% certain that the manga will get a continuation and that Kaneki will ultimately always be it's heart and soul: Ishida Sui is simply too good of a writer to invest this much time and effort into Kaneki's development and imbue those final scenes with so much mystery and not eventually milk it for all it's worth.] |
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Agent355
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Sorry for reviving an old topic, but I just got around to watching the final ep of Tokyo Ghoul today, and it was emotionally overwhelming. My first thought was "who wrote this torture porn garbage?" (The Sophie's Choice moment was particularly *brutal*). Hope's review helped me put it in perspective. It was a really satisfying episode that highlighted Kaneki's mental state and extreme change. If you want to change a character quickly, subject them to trauma and torture--unfortunately, that's true in real life, too. So I don't think Kaneki's development was rushed. It was extremely disturbing, but narratively and symbolically satisfying (I really liked how the song lyrics at the end mirrored Kaneki's transformation).
IIRC, there are sequels to both the manga and anime planned, right? Despite my misgivings about this series and the "realism" of ghouls, I'd definitely check out any sequels, and might even give the manga a go if it gets an official release in English. |
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