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CatSword
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Yeah, anime age ratings are...weeeird.
For example, Gantz is R18+ in Australia, which is the rating that I've never seen slapped on any other anime except for Siren's brief experiment with hentai DVDs. Gantz may be racy and gory, but it's not R18+ material when you consider the fact that Elfen Lied, Rin: Daughters of Mnonyense, and Puni Puni Poemy all slipped by with an MA15+. Don't even get me started about Azumanga Daioh being MA15+ in Australia, or New Zealand banning High School DxD all together... |
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dlm
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I went to get some Chinese from the local shop (a pretty nice restaurant, not the typical run down hole in the wall) and the music in the background sounded oddly familiar, and the lyrics sounded Japanese and not Chinese. It was "Platinum Disco", from Nisemonogatari. |
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yodsanklai
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Really liking the talk about cinematography in anime in the last two columns. I think it's an aspect of the medium that tends to be overlooked.
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Kadmos1
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An anime I agree with carrying the "TV-MA" would be Seikon no Qwaser. The To-Love Ru Darkness manga is so heavy in fan service that's a step away from being total porn.
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kevinx59
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^yet the anime (TLR) always gets TV14. Odd.
Also, it seems some Korean variety show my sister was watching had background music from Okami-san and her Seven Companions and the next episode preview theme from Haganai. |
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Iliketacos
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Funny thing about Digital Photography in most modern anime, is that every frame of animation has been touched by the photographer, weither the viewers notice it or not. A ton of studios still use "jaggies", or non anti-aliased pixels when doing clean up work and coloring the frames. All these have to be smoothed out by the photography team, otherwise, the animation cels would look like they came from a video game. Some studios will use vector based software which negates this step, although some raster based software is getting better with being able to efficiently color animation while using smoothed out lines, such as TVPaint Animation.
Good news, that's only ONE step! If they use vector based software, or clean it up with a raster based program that can handle painting with smoothed pixels easily, that step is negated. Now you have another process that happens which goes mostly unnoticed. Another part that atributes to anime's soft look is line brightness and bloom! If you look closely, not many anime (outside of indie web-based animation) use pure black lines. People assume that anime looks soft because of the thin lines used when cleaning up the animation. Anime looks soft because the lines don't draw attention to itself. Most current shows airing use a grey tone for most the inking, some will even use reds and blues. For areas, such as gray hair and typical undergarments that fall into lighter values, they'll be lined with lighter tones then the rest of the image to add subtlety. These are usually touched upon by the photographer, due to the fact that clean up artists don't have a-lot of time to worry about such details and it's going to be futher edited anyway. After the line art receives it's smoothinging and color/brightness adjustments, they'll then typically add a "bloom" effect to the image. Sometimes it's barely noticeable, depending on the scene and the studio, but it's usually present in a good chunk of the show. For more extreme examples, look up screenshots from Kyoani's Haruhi Suzumiya and Free! The shots, especially the outdoor scenes, have a certain radiance to them that when watching, makes it look like it's a really hot day. Bright reds and yellows from the flesh tones, and deep blues from the sky bleed all over the inked linework and give the shows a heavy photographic feel. All this is done by the photography team. Now backgrounds! Look carefully, watch/find a screenshot of almost any anime that's airing/has aired in the last 5years or so, and notice what happens to the background art when characters get some close up attention. Background looks kinda blurred doesn't it? Another thing the photography team does, and it's everywhere. Depth of field! Anime, despite how much crap I might get for saying this, is 3d. It's ALWAYS been treated as such. Backgrounds are multilayered for depth. Characters are maticulously shaded (MOST the time), dramatic camera angles, ect... So the extra effort put in by the photography team makes sense, even if the results are almost unnoticed by it's viewers. Even textures are done by the special effects and photography team. Special painting techniques required to add metalic sheens to robots and sword blades. If they still exist on the net, you can find some Rurouni Kenshin cels were the characters were all painted but the swords were missing and only had inked lines were they should be. Granted, that's the cel animation days, but nowadays it's still the same. Adding textures such as rust, grit, and metalic sheens, those worked on by the SFX crew or the photography team (usually in photoshop) as they require extra attention that the clean up and color artists can't be bothered with. Heck, I didn't even mention the noticable stuff such as compositing SFX, the camera flares and dramatic back lighting that dominate the anime medium, caustics... It's also my belief as to why people say Western attempts at "anime style" fall flat most the time. They never attempt to emulate that photorealistic touch. Heck, the bulk of ALL animation produced for a long time was being worked on in Korea. Anime still kept it's look by paying attention to fine details, as well as doing all the key animation and finishing touches in house. I think that MOST American animation studios producing "2D" animation don't care about the photographic elements. |
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Blatch
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In my books, Attack on Titan is a ratings anomaly: FUNi slapped a hard TV-MA rating for the DVD/Blu, but for the Toonami broadcast, every single episode has been rated TV-14, usually TV-14 LV. One episode got rated TV-MA V in a commercial, but when the actual episode aired, the rating had been changed to TV-14 DLV. Talk about weird.
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PCDOS
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My favorite weird ratings thing was for the first set of Lagrange. Viz gave it an 18+ mature content rating, but the Canada Home Video Rating was a G. There really wasn't anything particularly graphic to warrant a 18+ rating. The second set was rated PG by both, which I would say is a more appropriate rating for that show.
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jymmy
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Kyoto Animation's excessive bloom, which you see even in shade, is a pet peeve of mine. It looks lurid and gaudy, something you'd expect to see in a dream sequence. I may be the only person it annoys this much, but I can't be the only one it bugs at all. |
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here-and-faraway
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The strangest rating for me is for Aria.
The Rightstuf release of the anime is given a 13+ rating. When ADV released the manga it was given a 16+ rating and Tokyopop gave it a 13+ rating. Aside from the fact that the girls wear modest swimsuits in one episode, there's not a single swear word, violent scene, or fan service moment. Anyone know what I'm missing? Are there floating penises that I just don't see or something? |
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configspace
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Qwaser is also TV-14 depending on which label you want to follow on the back 
That's about in line with Canada and European countries. Reminds me of Funimations' restricted TVMA rating for Senran Kagura, which is completely undeserved (along with many of their shows like AoT, etc), compared to the German age 12 rating. Not so surprising when this is the German version of Big Brother or Denmark's version (both nsfw). When I was in Europe it was not uncommon to see regular tv and ads with casual nudity either.
Smells like lawsuit brewing |
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Iliketacos
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I'm not a big fan of the excess bloom either. It's nice when trying to visulize something, such as a really hot day, or a dream sequence like you mentioned. But sometimes they overkill it. Like lens flare, people love to overkill lens flare! 
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Blatch
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I'm not really one to argue for the american rating, as shows rated TV-MA cannot be rated for Suggestive Dialogue. Also, the letters are backwards. 
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reanimator
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You're on right on target about Western attempts look bad. When animator BahiJD was interviewed on ANN, even he emphasized importance of cinematography/photography than anything else. I guess most American animation professionals don't see themselves as film maker who are no different from live-action counterpart. I like your lengthy comments, but I think it would be helpful if you throw in screenshots to explain things better though. Last edited by reanimator on Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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wonderwomanhero
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Reminds me of Britney Spears music video for her song 'Break the Ice', Michael Jackson using clips from Akira in his "Scream" video, and Madonna using clips of Perfect Blue, Urotsukidoji, and Humanoid during a montage in her Drowned World Tour. And I think Daft Punk did something too? |
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