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strawberry-kun
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It's part of the reason, but I don't think FFXV looks good to begin with. Hearing Tabata's recent comments about simplifying gameplay and making it more casual reinforces that. No playable female characters was the final nail in the coffin so to speak. Personally, I like playing as female characters, and an entire party of same-ish looking bishounen just isn't appealing to me. I doubt I'd care about the characters at all which is kind of important in an RPG. I'm not saying that any of that is definitely bad, but the game sounds more and more like it's just not for me. |
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Hoppy800
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The Legend of Legacy has exploration similar to the Metal Max games except there is one objective and one ending and Metal Max has multiple endings (even one that you can achieve about a minute into the game) but both let you explore the world freely. I also like that you can choose your party at the start and the cast being in their 20's and higher.
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ikillchicken
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Honestly, I don't really care about the Onechambara thing in the slightest. It's easy to get mad and wave it around as an example of "Ug...gaming" given how immature and sexist gaming is as a whole but to do so actually misses the point entirely. I mean, it's dumb, softcore porn for men obviously but that's precisely why I think it is fine. I don't think that's offensive in itself (so long as it doesn't stray into some of the inherently sexist crap like sexualizing violence) and so I don't see why there isn't a place for that in gaming. And if there is a place for such things, well it probably rightfully belongs to stuff like Onechambara which is just flagrantly trying to be that.
No, what is problematic in gaming is all the other shit. It's the fact that so much of the stuff that isn't just trying to be dumb porn for men basically acts that way anyhow. That's what I find really frustrating and off-putting. Case in point: MGS5 and Quiet. I mean, come the hell on. This is a big, serious, AAA game that's obviously trying to tell a real story and be so much more than dumb porn for men. So why must it still wallow in this kind of juvenile manbaby pandering crap? And don't give me the "Kojima's super secret reason why". The fact that an in game reason exists to justify it just ignores the fact that he designed that game to be that way. |
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Lavnovice9
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You're talking about a series with immortal gay vampires and female bosses who moan everytime you hit them and then you can do a gravure photoshoot with them afterwards. MGS has never been a serious game. |
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CoreSignal
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I'm going to be much more optimistic than Todd here, this was one of the best TGSs in a long time. I think we're going to see a resurgence of Japanese gaming this console generation. Its a good sign that Atlus went ahead with a PS4 version of Persona, and even smaller devs like NIS and Compile Heart already have several PS4 games in the works. Although Japan will still primarily be a handheld/mobile market, I'm hoping the home console market will be big enough to attract more developers.
Somewhat disagree here. Visually, the game looks gorgeous and can compete with any other western AAA title. But yeah, after hearing that Tabata interview, I'm worried too. That said, the game is far from finished, so I'll reserve any final judgement until after I try the demo.
So......have you played any FF game before XIII? because they all looked like that. |
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strawberry-kun
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I meant that I don't like the look of the characters, the action RPG style battle system, the car, etc. The graphics themselves are gorgeous, but I don't like other aspects.
I've played and beaten every mainline Final Fantasy since 5 minus the MMO ones and the two XIII sequels 
The difference is that there were other characters that I did like. Final Fantasy X wasn't about four Tidus clones for example who I would then have to use throughout the entire game. There was way more variety in the designs of the party characters in previous games than in this one. Look at any other Final Fantasy and then look at this one. I don't see how anyone can argue that the party character designs in XV are just as varied as previous games. Last edited by strawberry-kun on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:25 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Rahxephon91
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I'm not sure why any of these things would take away from the fact that the series has attempted to have serious storytelling. The humor dosen't change the fact that MGS3 has a decent and serious tale. Nor does Vamp being BI(he's also not a vampire or immortal) take away from MGS2 being a serious post-modern art piece with a lot to say about the digital age, player agency, and control. The gravure photshoots were jokes. You can argue that they were tasteless, but MGS4 is garbage anyway. That fact dosen't change that MGS has attempted serious stoytelling. Even know Kojima attempts to reassure people that V will have something to say and Quiet will be more then fanserivce. Though he hasn't exactly done anything to make anyone believe him. |
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ikillchicken
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So just to be clear, it's your contention that MGS has never been anything more than dumb softcore porn with no real aspiration toward actually telling a real story or doing anything beyond providing titillation? This is what you're telling me? Wow, you sure have a low opinion of the series. |
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enurtsol
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Ah Link, been re-playing the original Final Fantasy (yeah the first) since NES, and this reminds us of the tombstone at the Elf village of Elfheim:
And yeah FF1, who says Final Fantasy can't play as all dudes like the original!
(Ah the days we had Famicom.)
He just wants to see girls in leather thong outfits.
(Though some cons may refuse entry without covering up.)
Ripping off Naruto! 
The original Snake: 
I believe the PS4 won't sell as much as the PS3 last generation. Last edited by enurtsol on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:25 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Barbobot
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MGS has always had its own.......weird sense of humor, but that doesn't take away the fact the games are very often trying to tell serious stories of war. |
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Shippoyasha
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Heh. Of course people look at Oneechanbara's schlock and decry 'sexism'. Of course. I for one love schlocky, sexual games, whether they are masculine or feminine in design. Love em all.
Also, the Quiet thing is a total non event to me as well. While Metal Gear is a serious story and all, it is at the same time a major proponent of James Bond and Hollywood action movie style schlock. Also, they manage to give a proper backstory to all the characters in the end and Kojima promised that with Quiet. I have faith in him as a longtime Metal Gear fan. In terms of character lore, he has always done a fantastic job. |
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CoreSignal
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I guess I'm ok with it, but sure, if you don't want FF turning into an action RPG, thats perfectly understandable.
I was sorta joking here, but I was trying to point out that most of the lead characters in past FF games, Cloud, Tidus, Vaan, etc. have been bishounen-type characters. Though it sounds like the other characters in those games were always more interesting to you anyway. I think character designs are important too and personally, I'm indifferent to the look of the main cast. But if the characters turn out to be well-written and interesting, then I feel their looks shouldn't be a big issue. |
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CoreSignal
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It may not need to. A lot of Japanese devs had budget problems with HD development on top of figuring out the ps3 hardware. But I think most Japanese devs now know how to handle their budgets better (maybe not Square Enix). And since the PS4 is easier to develop for, it seems like developing games should take less time and money in comparision to the previous generation. Sure, the PS4 isn't going to do PS3 numbers in the end, but maybe it just needs to do enough. Anyway, I'm being optimistic here, as opposed to realistic. 
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casualfan
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Final Fantasy x-2 has an all-female playable characters. I guess people forgot about that.
That huge Onechanbara setup is awesome. Sex sells in any media and will always do. Label it whatever you want. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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This may have already been discussed extensively, but I just find it utterly hilarious that this controversial, practically naked female character is named "Quiet."
After all, women are not to speak, they're supposed to be "quiet" and strip down so the boys can oogle their bodies. |
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