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NEWS: Seven Seas Starts Yuri Line


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JaneA



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:45 am Reply with quote
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My point was, the press release is a tad misleading--S7 isn't the first in Yuri manga stateside. Just because you're bigger, with better distribution, doesn't change the fact that someone was doing before you, and that was my point about all this fuss.


I totally agree!!!

ALC has been at all the major venues in the past 3 years, selling translated yuri doujinshi as well as original anthologies (with great art and great stories! I have them all.) Ms Friedman as a tireless frontwoman and deserves kudos for what she's accomplished!!
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JaneA



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:50 am Reply with quote
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Sounds like we have the same mindset. I'll be happy about Seven Seas as long as they bring over yuri that is made for (and by) women, until then, long live ALC and Erica (I still remember her from alt.fan.sailor-moon...very highly admired her).


Very Happy She's done so much for yuri in America!! Very Happy
I can't wait for YM4!!

http://www.yuricon.org/
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HitokiriShadow



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:29 pm Reply with quote
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You say ALC has been stateside for years, true, yes, but... when have you seen their stuff in bookstores? How many people, even among yuri fans, even know about them?

The problem is that ALC is very, very small and direct order only. You can't find their stuff in stores or, as far as I know, even other online retailers. Yes, they (ALC) exist, but very few people know about them. In addition, they just don't have much available and they aren't titles that people are likely to find unless they already know about the site.


ALC has had distribution to major chain book stores, comic book stores and GLBT stores for over a year now.

You can find our books in Borders and Barnes and Noble, along with all the other manga. Smile


Really? Maybe they just sold them before I saw them. Or maybe I just missed them -_-;
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:02 pm Reply with quote
HitokiriShadow wrote:
yuricon wrote:
ALC has had distribution to major chain book stores, comic book stores and GLBT stores for over a year now.

You can find our books in Borders and Barnes and Noble, along with all the other manga. Smile


Really? Maybe they just sold them before I saw them. Or maybe I just missed them -_-;
I live about an hour+ drive from the nearest Borders, but I know I've never seen any ALC product either. Could it be a regional issue? I'm in Georgia and the Borders I frequent is in Augusta.

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Richard J. wrote:
Aren't all yuri titles technically filled with fanservice just by being about girl-girl relationships? Wink


I guess so, if you fetishize same-sex relationships. But if you're someone who is gay/lesbian and might just want to read a comic featuring the same thing that isn't purely sexual, then no, it's not fan service. That's the point. Yuri isn't pure fanserve--
The winking smilie and my next sentence starting with "seriously though" didn't tell you I was kidding? I didn't mean for that question to be taken seriously at all.

Also, I always thought the word fetish had more to do with bondage and things like that. Confused Seems improper to use if for same-sex since that's a matter of sexual preference and fetishes seem to have much more to do with actuall sexual practices.
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Akukaze



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:13 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
Actually, in Japan, yuri is called girls' love or GL and yaoi is boys' love or BL (which irioncally translates to shoujo-ai and shounen-ai in Japanese). [clipped]


Yuri really is called yuri in Japan, hence the the yuri-only magazines "Yuri Shimai" (now defunct) and "Yuri Hime." But you're right about BL.

Patachu wrote:
Actually I'd like to see some of the more nuanced, josei-targeted kind of yuri like Free Soul and Aoi Hana (shit! that one made me cry). I want to like the uber-melodramatic boarding-school ones, but somehow the contrived all-girl environment doesn't click with me (gave up on the Strawberry Panic anime after 6 eps).

If Free Soul, or any of Yamaji Ebine's manga for that matter, ever got licensed, I think I would just about die. Her work is just amazing on so many levels...
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CochraneO



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yuricon wrote:
ALC has had distribution to major chain book stores, comic book stores and GLBT stores for over a year now.

You can find our books in Borders and Barnes and Noble, along with all the other manga. Smile


Out of curiousity, who's handling your book distribution? If the comments here are generally valid and it is true that few of your books are making into bookstores, one might naturally wonder if your book distributor is doing enough, or if enough bookstores know who your book distributor is.

Despite all the attention "real" book publishers, retailers, and distributors have been paying to manga, it seems that there's still a bit of hesitancy with manga on the fringes like yuri and yaoi. Then again, with more specialized players like Consortium coming on to the scene on behalf of yaoi publishers, maybe there'll be book folks carving out a niche for the fringier stuff too.
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aninut



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I work at a major bookstore, and yaoi is waaaay more available than yuri. We have a ton of yaoi titles and one (count 'em ONE) yuri title: Eiken. That's it. Though I'm not really into either (though I think Maria-sama is beautiful). However, There needs to be more of a balance between the two fandoms. Anybody know if yuri v. yaoi sells in Japan (where more yuri is published) are porportional?
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HitokiriShadow



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:40 pm Reply with quote
aninut wrote:
I work at a major bookstore, and yaoi is waaaay more available than yuri. We have a ton of yaoi titles and one (count 'em ONE) yuri title: Eiken. That's it. Though I'm not really into either (though I think Maria-sama is beautiful). However, There needs to be more of a balance between the two fandoms. Anybody know if yuri v. yaoi sells in Japan (where more yuri is published) are porportional?


This is the first time I've ever heard Eiken referred to as a yuri title. I've nevers seen/read Eiken, but I doubt its any more yuri than, say, the Mai HiME anime. It probably as a lesbian character or couple and thats it. It's clearly not the focus of the series.
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NeoSam



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:51 pm Reply with quote
Strawberry Panic manga is a seinen manga. (serialized in the male oriented magazine Dengeki G's Magazine, a bishoujo game magazine aimed at male otakus)

Strawberry Panic light novel is a shounen light novel, its published under the male oriented light novel label Dengeki Bunko, a label thats aimed at boys/young men, specifically aimed at male otakus.

Strawberry Panic! manga and light novels are aimed at male audience (published under comic imprints and light novel labels for male otakus, labels that brought male oriented moe~ moe~ manga and light novels such as Shakugan no SHANA, Inukami!, DearS, Pita-ten, Azumanga Daioh, Yotsubato, Blood Alone, and many many other male oriented manga and light novels)

Kashimashi manga is a seinen manga, its serailized in the seinen manga magazine Dengeki Daioh.

Tetragrammaton Labyrinth is a seinen manga, its serialized in the seinen manga magazine Comic Gum (the magazine that serialized Mahoromatic, Amaenaideyo!!, Tsukuyomi -Moon Phase- and other moe~ moe~ manga)

Saigo no Seifuku manga is a seinen manga, serialized in the seinen 4-panel magazine Manga Time Kirara Carat, a magazine that serializes 4-panel manga for young men.
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Neverwhere



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:43 pm Reply with quote
NeoSam... I knew about Kashimashi being a seinen series, but I didn't about the others, thank you for the info. I suppose I should have guessed about Strawberry Panic, though. Wink

I assume they are labeled yuri here as the seinen label doesn't really exist (although it should), and they look like yuri, so it's easier that way. Plus there's really no need to get needlessly caught up in labels anyway -- just read it because it's good, not because it fits into your idea of a particular niche or category. Smile
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NeoSam



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Neverwhere wrote:
NeoSam... I knew about Kashimashi being a seinen series, but I didn't about the others, thank you for the info. I suppose I should have guessed about Strawberry Panic, though. Wink

I assume they are labeled yuri here as the seinen label doesn't really exist (although it should), and they look like yuri, so it's easier that way. Plus there's really no need to get needlessly caught up in labels anyway -- just read it because it's good, not because it fits into your idea of a particular niche or category. Smile


Yeah of course Smile but I think they picked great manga, so there's no need to worry about it being good (of course what is "good" can vary from one person to another, according to the person's taste in manga)

Nah, I'm just giving some info here, beacuse I know lots of male idiots out there that don't know that there are yuri manga that are aimed at them, they think that all yuri manga are shoujo manga, well thats not true, there are shounen/seinen yuri manga (and not all male oriented yuri is porn (probably most of it LOL)).

Seven Seas seems to be licensing shounen/seinen yuri manga, which in my opinion is pretty good, since this is the stuff that I like Razz

Of course I'll be getting... hmmm... I'll be getting all of the these manga/light novels, well, I'm pretty much into yuri >.< a big yuri fan.
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cyrax777



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:37 pm Reply with quote
i dont care what people say but if its 2 women and there relationships as the main plot point or part of the main plot somewere its a yuri series.
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kurakami



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:53 pm Reply with quote
They may not be the first but I'm happy to welcome Seven Seas to the Yuri manga market in the US! I'm looking forward to getting the Strawberry Panic novels and Manga and plan to sample the others. Smile

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So instead of Violent Porn or Kiddy Porn, Anime and Manga are destined to be known as Gay Porn?
Love and romance between two people of the same gender is not porn any more than a romance like "Sleepless in Seattle" is porn for having a man and women together.

Having both Yuri and Yaoi is a great thing. I like both genres. GLBT folks are criminally underserved (especially in the US media) with stories about themselves. The more the merrier.

I love Yuri and have also picked up the Yuri Mongatari anthologies from ALC publishing. Like Richard J says, anthologies can be a mixed bag and I typically only really like a couple of stories in each one that I get. Still a great purchase if you are a Yuri fan and want to sample a variety. I defy anyone not to find at least one or two stories in each volume to enjoy. But anthologies are not for everyone and I personally prefer series with one artist and story that I like.

I don't think there is anything malicious in Seven Seas' claiming to have the 'first ever “Yuri” line' as I think they honestly did not know about ALC as many who have posted here did not. ALC is a small company (5 books currently on sale) with a more limited distribution. I picked them up at my local comics shop but have never seen them at my local Borders (SoCal). Also as they publish both Japanese translated manga and non-Japanese comics with a Yuri theme, I consider them to be more a graphic novel company than a manga company. OMMV. So I'd say that Seven Seas can be considered the first manga company to put out a “Yuri” line but not the first to do Yuri in the US. And IMHO they are certainly the first company to license complete Yuri series from Japan rather than just individual stories.

In any case, the two Yuri lines couldn't be more different and that is what I really welcome. As Yuricon said, ALC is
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... doing our best to bring some of the less well-known (not associated with an anime) but high quality story and art yuri over for yuri fandom.
This is great but has left fans that want some of the Yuri series associated with an anime out in the cold. Now we have Seven Seas to fill in that gap and bring over series that a company like ALC would have no interest in publishing. This is wonderful!!

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I do hope someone licenses Marmite soon, and I hope even more that we'll see some 'fluffy' titles that aren't entirely angsty, just sweet and cute and makes you go 'awwww'. (Do they even exist? ;- )

Ah Neverwhere. The license that dare not speak it's name. I especially welcome Seven Seas as they are a large enough company to be able to license that series (which is associated with a anime). More than anything else I want to see the novels licensed (more than the manga or anime). We can dream. In the interim, Strawberry Panic will join Kashimashi and Boogie Pop on my list of manga to buy from Seven Seas.

There are great times to be Yuri fans and it can only get better as more companies enter the fray. Very Happy
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Neverwhere



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:16 am Reply with quote
Great post Kurakami. Smile

I also hope for more novels to be licsensed, in every genre -- I am desperate for Saiunkoku Monogatari to be aquired (I've asked every manga company at all the cons this year to consider it, politely of course ;- ), as well as more famous titles like Kyou Kara Maou! and of course everyone's favourite Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu. If Tokyopop is successful with their line of novels, and Seven Seas does well with their first offerings, the future should be quite promising. *G*
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NeoSam



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 am Reply with quote
cyrax777 wrote:
i don't care what people say but if its 2 women and there relationships as the main plot point or part of the main plot somewere its a yuri series.


This is not an opinion, this is a fact, and the way it is.

These are yuri series that end up their way in the shounen and seinen section of japanese shops (yes male oriented yuri manga/light novels).

Kashimashi, Strawberry Panic, Tetragrammaton Labyrinth, and Saigo no Seifuku, all of these end up in the male oriented sections of japanese shops.
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