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EighteenSky
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I'm not judging people who don't agree with my opinion, I'm judging other people on this specific issue, you can't judge a series until it's finished, simple as that. Give thoughts on how you're liking/loathing it thus far then be my guest but judge a series on a couple episodes then that is where the problem arises. ANNs writers have done it god knows how many times in the Seasonal first impressions guides despite claiming not to. |
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wonderwomanhero
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Oh my god now you are making me regret that I didn't find out about The Girl Who Lept Through Time and Paranoia Agent sooner....(although the latter is Geneon but still) My hope is that Discotek picks up PA at least....while Funimation could maybe get TGWLTT, especially since the manga is being licensed. But back to Cross Ange. Why are people saying to call PETA? |
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getchman
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It's just Blood- trying to be funny. ignore it |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Your complaint doesn't make any sense. It says explicitly at the top of the preview guide splash page, bolded for your convenience, that these aren't reviews of the entire show, they're impressions of the first episode. Which is what people give. If you think they have to put "but it could get better, you never know!" at the end of every single negative review then you're making the same argument as people who think "In my opinion, I could be wrong" belongs in front of every subjective observation in every review because otherwise it "just feels like" the reviewer is "forcing" their opinions on them. It's a bizarre hypersensitive reaction to the simple act of reading an opinion that is not yours or doesn't agree with your own. If someone really hates the first episode of something, they're going to say so and there's no "but it could get better!" required. That you're flat-out ignoring the outright-stated, listed-for-you-in-bold mission statement and purpose of the guide and instead interpreting what's being written to fit your own narrative is not the fault of the writers. |
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maximilianjenus
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he si not talking about you or your reviewers, unless of course one of them said the first episode is bad and the rest of the series is going to suck or something like that.
it's interesting how immature the anime comunity is, in that if a show tried to tackle on racism/discrimination issues it's instantly called a racist anime while in movies/other media that is perfectly acceptable (well at least it's not as immature as the videogame comunity). |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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I knew Cross Ange would get licensed the fanservice misygonist series always do.
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DRosencraft
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Anyone who condemns any show on just the first episode for anything other than technical details (animation quality, score, etc) should not review media, and is liable to miss or at the very least be late to many series that might otherwise be good. Though, I suppose if anyone dismisses a show in such an off-handed manner then the chances of their opinion being changed in limited as they apparently don't have the interest and/or open-mindedness on that show.
As for this specific series, the first episode is shocking, to say the least. It is very graphic - not necessarily in the increasingly common regard of blood all over the place, but in the depiction of social morays. To call it racism is somewhat accurate, as that is the point they are obviously trying to make - this is an anime about a racist society. Anyone surprised by that either has the good fortune to live in a world where they are ignorant of such things taking place or has not been a very active student of world history. The same could be said of the now infamous jail scene. Again, that is only as shocking as the individual's lack of familiarity with internment/concentration camps or the darkest days of jail systems in many countries. The point of the scene was to be outraged. To call it racist to show this is to deny any ability to assess or discuss this subject, which still occurs in many places you may not even realize, in the context of any visual medium. Condemnation of the first episode of this series speaks to two things. One, it speaks to knee-jerk reaction. You have some people seeing something they aren't used to, don't know much about, and instead of trying to understand or research about it, they jump to the internet and fire off repudiations. Two, it is lack of faith in the ability of the series, its writers, its director, and/or its producer, to do justice to the subject matter. On this side, I can somewhat understand. After the failed attempt of a team that should of had the most competence in handling difficult subjects - Terror in Resonance - this axiom is understandable. In the end the aim of these shows isn't to be educational documentaries, but entertainment. The balance can shift to documentary side, but if it shifts too far the entertainment side, you risk people's paychecks. Arguably, some of these shows don't go enough to the documentary side because of that fear. Personally I had more problems with the reuse of so many elements and basic scenes from Gundam Seed in this series. Ange's units entrance/transformation is nearly identical to the Gundams of that series, her appearance is very much like Stellar's, the as of yet introduced male lead that looks like Kira... I love Seed, but I would appreciate if they made at least a little more effort to not replicate it imagery wise under a different title. |
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ikillchicken
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Here's a question:
Why is it that these people who gripe about judging shows prematurely exclusively show up in response to negative previews? Isn't that weird? I mean, I don't see anybody popping up to rant about how "YOU'RE CLAIMING FATE/STAY NIGHT IS GOOD AFTER JUST ONE EPISODE!?" despite the fact that essentially everything they argue applies just as much to positive reviews. I mean, they're just as "premature" right? There's a million shows out there that put together a strong opening episode and then turn into a complete mess. And FSN could certainly be the same. They could waste all their budget early and the visual quality could collapse going forward, the interesting plot threads and dynamics could go nowhere. It could end up being, in the long run, an unwatchable mess. So I guess we should be equally mad at the audacity of them giving it such high scores right? Right!? Nope. Guess not. Nobody cares about that really. It's just criticism that brings out the pitchforks. So strange. Why, it's almost as if it isn't about "premature judgement" at all and that's just a trumped up excuse to criticize reviewers for not liking the thing you like. |
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Surrender Artist
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Good to see that the creepy shit defense squad is on the case!
In a world of byased, corrupt anti-anime reviewer people who care about social justice who unfairly apply Western cultural standards to Japan, it’s good to know that there are people working obsessively to protect us from the existential threat of people who can’t actually harm or control us any way. |
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SilverTalon01
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I think he just chose his wording poorly (ironically like the people he was criticizing). Its not that the reviewers are idiots or they aren't entitled to their opinion. Its that it is idiotic to intentionally use trigger words that don't even describe what is actually happening. No matter how demeaning or painfully it is done, a cavity search isn't rape. And it isn't wildly inappropriate for some one who was essentially sent to a prison for enemies of the state to have a forced cavity search. Using the word 'rape' is just using sensationalism to incite people and I would say that no news source (no matter what they cover) should condone that... but apparently we are all going to die from ebola... I never expected much from the story anyway though. I watched for the Escaflowne/Gundam hybrid, and if they don't spend more time on that part, then I probably won't keep watching. |
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dragonrider_cody
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You do make some valid points, but there are a couple differences. If someone despises a first episode, thy are likely to write off the entire show. It could start improving drastically in episode 2, but those people would never know it. If you think the first episode of a show was amazing, you are likely to keep viewing the show (although it too could have a drastic change in quality.). Not to mention, people that hate the first episode and write disparaging remarksc online are likely to encourage others to avoid the show. While people who write positive comments are more likely to encourage people to view it. This wasn't exacty a surprising acquisition, especially considerin the streams on CrunchyRoll. I doubt it had anything to do with Funimation passing on it. They have gotten some Bandai/Sunrise shows recently, but Sentai has also acquired a few. Not to mention, when they acquired this show, it's unlikely the first episode was even completed. The most they were likely able to view were some story boards, perhaps partially animated scenes, and of course the script, which may not have even been translated yet. |
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msgundam2
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I hope Sentai Filmworks buys a large amount of ad space for Cross Ange on ANN.
I am sure Nick, Rebecca, Zac, and Hope will enjoy seeing it. |
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DRosencraft
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First, it's called having an optimistic outlook. I for one generally don't approve of pessimism. There is generally too much of it in this world as is, so I find little reason to go out of the way to tell people, "hey, that thing you're enjoying right now might nose-dive so give up now before you're disappointed". That's just a plain bad way to live your life. If by the mid-to-late run of a series a show is bad, I'll say you might want to give up. But I have always told people that any story you start you should strive to finish because many stories end a heck of a lot better than they start. Many, many, have lulls in the middle when the story can slow down in anticipation of the ending. That goes for anime, manga, Hollywood movie, TV shows, books, etc. Second, a show isn't going to be ruined by a bunch of positive opinion. If a show goes down hill from the opening, then it'll get appropriate loss of following. For anime in particular, whose success is determined not on ratings but on merchandise sale after the fact, there is more time to build up to a good story if the audience is patient enough to stay engaged to see that development. It's not like TV in most other places where every episode has to be a hit or it could be cancelled next week. That's why I say each series should at least have a fair shot. Dumping on a show because of misunderstandings and faulty perceptions has the prospect of dooming an otherwise good show. If the subject matter is out of your interest zone, if there are serious technical flaws, fine. But be honest about that. As I noted, the dissent about this series seems to be based on misconception and snapshots of a story that definitely needs more than one episode to be fleshed out in the least. FYI, I do think the hype on Fate/Stay Night is a bit overblown. We've had one series of Fate/Stay Night already, and a movie/OVA special for Unlimited Blade Works. There is nothing that will be unknown about the story, and I don't know how much better/updated graphics will make so much of a difference to justify expectations. But there's no point right now in raining on everyone's parade over a show that's only had an "episode 0" so far. The story is a known quantity, so unless you're completely uninitiated, there's little chance of that going awry. It's the same with Sailor Moon Crystal; an anime more "faithful" to the original source material with updated graphics relative to a previous iteration. If you like it, you like it and are excited for the update and that's where the hype is coming from. Everyone and their mother's father knows what the story is by now, so unless they screw up on the execution of graphics, it's not a danger of missing the mark. SM:Crystal has come under a ton of scrutiny and ridicule precisely because of the failure on graphics, though there is some unfair story criticism lumped in too. |
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Wrathful
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Given it's Sunrise, I have no doubt I will have more fun reading the reactions than watching the actual anime. It's one thing to dislike the certain anime but it's the other thing to be all so sensitive about one particular scene or factor. The only ANN Staff that I usually give the benefit of the doubt is Theron Martin even before I came to join in. His reviews can be overly generous but at least he gives reasons why he likes it.
Yeah agreed with the statement. Remember B Gata H Kei misunderstood as typical ecchi show, turned out to be more thoughtful and endearing than the first impression. Beside I see people fanboying the first episode of any anime by Shinichiro Watanabe all the damn time. I didn't really think it was all that sublime yet I don't go trolling in that thread and say it was shit. It's all about subjective opinions. |
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AnimeKnight2034
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And I bet the reviews will all the sudden turn positive as well! It's pretty interesting to see Fate/Stay get good reviews with all the insane Aniplex ads plastered everywhere. I bet we start seeing some A's and B's if Sentai buys some ad space for this... Where's AnimeGate when you need it... |
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