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NEWS: Exports of 'Cool Japan' Anime, Dramas Jump 30%


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Ryo Hazuki



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:06 pm Reply with quote
The only point of the many baffling points I have the energy to address is to ask, why would Perfume sign with Cube, when they're already signed globally with Universal, which has branches all over the world (one of them being Universal Korea) and why would they perform in English, when they wanted to have some Japanese lyrics to their only English language song, Spending all my time?
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Beatdigga



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:26 pm Reply with quote
So this is a success?
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Fedora-san



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:42 pm Reply with quote
Japan focusing on Japan is why we all love Japanese stuff, ultimately

Let's face if, there's probably a reason most people consume Japanese stuff instead of Korean stuff. From what I've seen, a lot of Korean stuff is litter different than American stuff. That apparently popular Pororo cartoon mdo7 linked to looked like something that belongs on Nick Jr or Playhouse Disney. No kids anime I've seen out of Japan comes close to looking like preschool fodder, it still looks distinctly unique and Japanese, while animation from the rest of the world falls into the similar looking category.

So in terms of this desire for globalization? No thanks. It'll often lead to homoginization.

Also, mdo7, you might want to stop using Gangnam Style as if it's some achievement. You realize most Americans only like that song because they make fun of it, right? They find it hilarious and almost a mockery of Asian people. It's no different than William Hung's popularity back when American Idol aired him. Here's a fun little article about the subject. And also another interesting blog post about it, especially the Tiger JK incident. Makes a good point on why Psy of all people had a one hit wonder song in the US compared to Korea's other singers and the surrounding stereotypes and racism surrounding what whites expect Asians to be like. It's actually a bad thing Gangnam Style is so popular.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:03 pm Reply with quote
Fedora-san wrote:

Also, mdo7, you might want to stop using Gangnam Style as if it's some achievement. You realize most Americans only like that song because they make fun of it, right? They find it hilarious and almost a mockery of Asian people. It's no different than William Hung's popularity back when American Idol aired him. Here's a fun little article about the subject. And also another interesting blog post about it, especially the Tiger JK incident. Makes a good point on why Psy of all people had a one hit wonder song in the US compared to Korea's other singers and the surrounding stereotypes and racism surrounding what whites expect Asians to be like. It's actually a bad thing Gangnam Style is so popular.



Actually Gangnam Style did a lot more positive then negative. accroding to Billboard. Actually K-pop is a lot bigger then you think. If it's not big then how did Girls Generation won the Youtube Music video award when no J-pop act was able to do it. Geez even Super Junior won MTV Italy award which something I never seen from J-pop. I would like to argue more but I'm not going to waste time over this.

Ryo Hazuki wrote:
The only point of the many baffling points I have the energy to address is to ask, why would Perfume sign with Cube, when they're already signed globally with Universal, which has branches all over the world (one of them being Universal Korea) and why would they perform in English, when they wanted to have some Japanese lyrics to their only English language song, Spending all my time?


As I said, it's a hypothetical situation, I don't expect this to become true. Don't take my "what if" as a true thing.
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Alan45
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:47 pm Reply with quote
@mdo7
Why would ANN want to report on the South Korean entertainment market? They don't even cover all of the Japanese entertainment market.

To state the obvious, ANN has a primary focus on anime, that is Japanese animation. They have a secondary focus on manga and Japanese games. Music and live action shows are reported largely only to the extent that they relate to anime. The music forum doesn't get a lot of traffic. Several months back there was an attempt on the forums to establish a single thread on the subject of Japanese special effects movies, it seems to have died.

If the site doesn't cover the full range of Japanese live entertainment why would they cover that of Korea? For that matter why Korea? Several countries in that area have thriving entertainment sectors are they less important than Korea?

Trust me, everyone who is a regular in the forums has seen your links.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:23 pm Reply with quote
Alan45 wrote:
@mdo7
Why would ANN want to report on the South Korean entertainment market? They don't even cover all of the Japanese entertainment market.

To state the obvious, ANN has a primary focus on anime, that is Japanese animation. They have a secondary focus on manga and Japanese games. Music and live action shows are reported largely only to the extent that they relate to anime. The music forum doesn't get a lot of traffic. Several months back there was an attempt on the forums to establish a single thread on the subject of Japanese special effects movies, it seems to have died.

If the site doesn't cover the full range of Japanese live entertainment why would they cover that of Korea? For that matter why Korea? Several countries in that area have thriving entertainment sectors are they less important than Korea?


I know, but if something anime-related get mixed up with South Korea's pop culture it'll get reported. If let say Funimation decided to pick up Korean dramas for DVDs/Blu-ray release (in the future), ANN will definitely report on that because Funimation a company that license anime which could pick up K-dramas (hypothetically), that would be newsworthy for ANN. Also I know it's true that J-music don't get a lot of report on ANN, but let say a famous J-pop singer who do some hit songs for anime decided to cross over to K-pop and release a Korean-language album, ANN would definitely report on that. Now I'm not saying it would ever happen but it could (nobody would expect this to happen). I'm not saying ANN will start doing more reports on K-pop and Korean pop culture, I'm saying if something anime-related somehow ended up mix into Korean pop culture, ANN will report on that. Also sometime ANN may add some random interest article that isn't related to anime like this one for example which isn't even related to anime or Japan at all.

you also wrote:
Trust me, everyone who is a regular in the forums has seen your links.


Well, I'm not sure how many people may have seen my links in the past, but it's better to be safe then sorry when it comes to credbility. But whenever I give assessments, I have to back it up with evidences which include using the same links to validate it, Alan. Otherwise, I wouldn't be very credible, would I? That's why I always back up my statements and assessments with evidences which include using the same link, I follow the rule of argument and one rule of it: always back up everything with evidences. Even if it means using the same links again (yes I know people are frustrated, but I can't throw blanket statements). So I apologize if I use the same links over and over again, but I can't just give a statements with no supported evidence.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:33 pm Reply with quote
I wonder if this would be a factor in the licensing companies here doing more licenses for other series.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:09 pm Reply with quote
Fedora-san wrote:
Also, mdo7, you might want to stop using Gangnam Style as if it's some achievement. You realize most Americans only like that song because they make fun of it, right? They find it hilarious and almost a mockery of Asian people. It's no different than William Hung's popularity back when American Idol aired him. [url=/tetsuro-shigematsu/gangnam-style-psy-asians-stereotypes-ken-jeong_b_1944294.html]Here's a fun little article about the subject.[/url] And also another [url=/2012/12/13/gangnam-style-racism-and-the-evolving-asian-stereotype/]interesting blog post[/url] about it, especially the Tiger JK incident. Makes a good point on why Psy of all people had a one hit wonder song in the US compared to Korea's other singers and the surrounding stereotypes and racism surrounding what whites expect Asians to be like. It's actually a bad thing Gangnam Style is so popular.


I can definitely see how Koreans and Asians in general would be offended by this. It seems to just perpetuate the stereotype of Asian media can only be "wacky" that a lot of websites, even ANN sometimes, post about. If the only music that gets recognized is music that fits the stereotype, it says a lot about our acceptance of foreign media. This kind of cultural ethnocentrism is also probably why most of the popular anime in the US tend to be westernized anime. Either originally like Attack on Titan or through the dubbing process like a lot of edited dubs.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:13 pm Reply with quote
gloverrandal wrote:


I can definitely see how Koreans and Asians in general would be offended by this. It seems to just perpetuate the stereotype of Asian media can only be "wacky" that a lot of websites, even ANN sometimes, post about. If the only music that gets recognized is music that fits the stereotype, it says a lot about our acceptance of foreign media. This kind of cultural ethnocentrism is also probably why most of the popular anime in the US tend to be westernized anime. Either originally like Attack on Titan or through the dubbing process like a lot of edited dubs.


It comes with the territory, but the positives has outdone the negative. Of course there's going to be a lot of close-minded people but we live in the age of globalization, stereotypes break down and etc... Also I grew up with edited anime but I came to discovered unedited anime and niche anime titles from Japan. So the positives outdo the negatives.

EDIT: Arirang TV news just talked about K-pop branching out beyond music thanks to it's global success.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:02 am Reply with quote
If the Japanese government started clamping down against the digital region restrictions of Japanese media and video games, I'm pretty sure that percentage would jump tenfold.

Unfortunately, the idea of banning region locks is just a pipe dream, I guess.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:08 am Reply with quote
Wetall wrote:
If the Japanese government started clamping down against the digital region restrictions of Japanese media and video games, I'm pretty sure that percentage would jump tenfold.

Unfortunately, the idea of banning region locks is just a pipe dream, I guess.


As much as I think that region blocking shouldn't exist (because there's debates about how region lockout/blocking violates trading agreements, promote monopoly and price discrimination, etc... and I do agree with some of the issues when it comes to regional lockouts/blocking), but as you said I doubt the government and private companies/corporations are not going to dismantle region blocking anytime soon.
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Drac



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:13 pm Reply with quote
gloverrandal wrote:
This kind of cultural ethnocentrism is also probably why most of the popular anime in the US tend to be westernized anime. Either originally like Attack on Titan or through the dubbing process like a lot of edited dubs.


Oh very much so. I was listening to a podcast with the American comic book artist Alex Ross who absolutely loves the original Gatchaman but can't stand the "big eyes" present in other Anime. The creator of Gatchaman was inspired by American comic books when it came to the art direction so it was just western looking enough for Ross to not offend his tastes.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:13 pm Reply with quote
Wetall wrote:
If the Japanese government started clamping down against the digital region restrictions of Japanese media and video games, I'm pretty sure that percentage would jump tenfold.

Well, from what I've heard on a thread from ages earlier, Nintendo has announced that they are considering the idea of region-unlocking their consoles.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:22 pm Reply with quote
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
Wetall wrote:
If the Japanese government started clamping down against the digital region restrictions of Japanese media and video games, I'm pretty sure that percentage would jump tenfold.

Well, from what I've heard on a thread from ages earlier, Nintendo has announced that they are considering the idea of region-unlocking their consoles.


Well if all Japanese companies start to do that, that'll make it easier for fans of J-media to gain easier access to. I mean it's so easy for me to find Korean media on Youtube, and licensing Korean stuff seem easier (and probably cheaper) then licensing Japanese media (dramas, films, variety shows).
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Mr. Oshawott



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Agreed. I'm sure there's still plenty of media left out there that Japan has yet to share internationally.
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