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NEWS: Live 2D Euclid Animation Software Brings 2D Characters to 3D Environments


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gel309



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:43 pm Reply with quote
And thus marriage rates in Japan took a sudden decline...
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And thus marriage rates in Japan took a sudden decline...

Japan has also seen many years of low birth rates.
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Kadmos1 wrote:
gel309 wrote:
And thus marriage rates in Japan took a sudden decline...

Japan has also seen many years of low birth rates.


Last year saw the lowest birthrates in the country's recorded history.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:12 pm Reply with quote
2D Characters in a 3D world...I wonder how the U.S. would react if they were to have advanced animation software like Euclid?
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I can see this being the basis for anime where this is the girlfriend/waifu for an basement-dwelling guy that's 25+, has bad hygiene, weight, social skills, and is unemployed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:07 pm Reply with quote
gel309 wrote:
And thus marriage rates in Japan took a sudden decline...


Hoppy800 wrote:

Last year saw the lowest birthrates in the country's recorded history.


Yeah NHK World reported on this:

NHk World wrote:
Japan's population slid for the 8th straight year in 2014, marking the sharpest decline after World War Two.


But I've seen other Asian countries like South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong having fertility rate much lower then Japan:



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Calsolum



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:52 pm Reply with quote
jabs at japans population aside this is actually really well done.
im looking forward to more information on this... untill some tabloid misinterprets its usage or a nerdy Japanese programmer decides to develop hentai for it.
at that point i walk away
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:03 pm Reply with quote
Having watched Sidonia and Ronja's awkward CGi... yes, this looks pretty nice and flowing. My only fears are: 1-We don't see many examples of characters or even poses, she only does the same, so I'm still a little skeptical, and 2-I hope this program allows different styles of anime designs and it doesn't impose only that generic style (which can be good, but it would not be cool to be the standard for most of the shows). But for the few parts they show, kudos.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:54 pm Reply with quote
This looks very good in my opinion. Unlike the usual CG crap they've been using in shows up until now, this actually looks like anime, looks good, and doesn't creep me out with her face movements. Great job, Live 2D. I hope this will be used worldwide in the future in both tv shows and gaming. CG before this looked NOTHING like anime, and I'm really glad Live 2D is putting time and effort into this. Of course, this is only over what they have shown us so far. The art still needs to be able to line up with voice acting well (which, in my opinion past CG does not do well), and perform various movements without looking awkward. There is still a lot of work to be done.
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I can see this being the basis for anime where this is the girlfriend/waifu for an basement-dwelling guy that's 25+, has bad hygiene, weight, social skills, and is unemployed.

It's deplorable and really undesirable, but no one can stop them from doing so... It eats my heart out to see innocent girls be the waifu of these people...
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untill some tabloid misinterprets its usage or a nerdy Japanese programmer decides to develop hentai for it.

This is my biggest worry as well. All will be happy and fine for Live 2D Euclid until someone uses it to make hentai or a Boob Massager Simulator on Oculus Rift. At that point, the whole thing crashes, and everyone looks at them like its their fault for developing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:10 pm Reply with quote
I've never liked the way these kinds of things look. To me, I don't see the point of copying anime visual idiosyncrasies if it's not going to be a drawn image, because to me the reason that these images are evocative and striking is that they're drawn images.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:08 pm Reply with quote
Reminds us of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71FXoFKYNNw

"Directable Physics Engine recreates 2D anime stylizations in 3D"

  • The Igarashi Lab. at the University of Tokyo is developing a new type of physics engine which can faithfully recreate in 3D the stylizations common to 2D anime.

    "Physics engines are used in 3D animation, to generate the motions of hair and clothes. They can do physically correct computing, but the problem is, that's all they can do. The engine we've created makes it possible for artists to adjust such physics computations, in other words, to deform things."

    "For example, suppose you wanted to make a rabbit's ears sway through physics computation. If you were asked to make them look like this when seen from the right, with an ordinary physics engine, you couldn't do it. But using our technology, you can do physics computation while meeting specific conditions, such as wanting this shape when the object is seen from that angle."



    "This example involves what's called 'ahoge' (foolish hair), which is often seen in Japanese animations. For example, if you want the 'ahoge' to keep pointing in the same direction, that's hard to do with an ordinary physics engine. But our engine can compute how to move the hair while keeping it pointing in the same direction."

    "In this example, the inside of the skirt is kept hidden, even if you try to look underneath it. When the camera looks in from below, the skirt becomes firm and sticks closely to the body, so you can create an effect called the 'impenetrable skirt'."

    "In Japan, 2D anime culture is very attractive. Recently, 3D technology has reached a high level, and we think it would be great to produce movies that combine the merits of the two. So, we've developed this Directable Physics Engine as a technology to help achieve that."

    The Directable Physics Engine runs on the Unity cross-platform game engine, and the source code is available from the lab's website.
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_Cyphon_ wrote:
It's deplorable and really undesirable, but no one can stop them from doing so... It eats my heart out to see innocent girls be the waifu of these people...

Rolling Eyes

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This is my biggest worry as well. All will be happy and fine for Live 2D Euclid until someone uses it to make hentai or a Boob Massager Simulator on Oculus Rift. At that point, the whole thing crashes, and everyone looks at them like its their fault for developing it.

Western devs already got a head start almost two years ago (nsfw)
Wicked Paradise porn sim: http://vimeo.com/68550959
Misc nude models: http://vimeo.com/74344947

Japan later followed suit anime style:
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/11/14/how-humanity-ends-virtual-reality-headset-hooked-up-to-tenga-love-cup-for-men-【video】/

But we'll see though if Facebook's licensing changes for it.
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untill some tabloid misinterprets its usage or a nerdy Japanese programmer decides to develop hentai for it.

This is my biggest worry as well. All will be happy and fine for Live 2D Euclid until someone uses it to make hentai or a Boob Massager Simulator on Oculus Rift. At that point, the whole thing crashes, and everyone looks at them like its their fault for developing it.


So... Do you disparage all knives because some of them were used as murder weapons? Nope. You still use them for cooking, cutting, etc...

Seriously, it's a tool and like all tools, they can have a myriad of applications and uses. I honestly don't see why people will instantly disown something just because it's used in a way that they deem undesirable.

Besides, I have no idea where this whole stigma of being single and finding alternative means of sexual pleasure came from anyway. We're in such a progressive world that embraces all kinds of people, lifestyles and life choices, yet we can't get over the fact that one doesn't need to be married and have children to be considered successful or happy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:34 am Reply with quote
@Actar

I couldn't agree with you more, problem is mass media, or rather how the media will choose to portray this along with the fact that these hobbies may be 'tolerated' it's still a long way from being accepted by the majority of people especially in the west.

It's essentially guilt by association and I don't want to be associated with the 'guilty' party hence why I will choose to walk away.

Your last point is a good one though many people dont think like that, at least very few people I know irl.
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configspace wrote:
_Cyphon_ wrote:

This is my biggest worry as well. All will be happy and fine for Live 2D Euclid until someone uses it to make hentai or a Boob Massager Simulator on Oculus Rift. At that point, the whole thing crashes, and everyone looks at them like its their fault for developing it.

Western devs already got a head start almost two years ago (nsfw)
Wicked Paradise porn sim: http://vimeo.com/68550959
Misc nude models: http://vimeo.com/74344947

Japan later followed suit anime style:
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/11/14/how-humanity-ends-virtual-reality-headset-hooked-up-to-tenga-love-cup-for-men-【video】/

But we'll see though if Facebook's licensing changes for it.

Wow, we already have a fapping machine made to have sex with 2D characters? Can't say it was particularly surprising though...

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Besides, I have no idea where this whole stigma of being single and finding alternative means of sexual pleasure came from anyway. We're in such a progressive world that embraces all kinds of people, lifestyles and life choices, yet we can't get over the fact that one doesn't need to be married and have children to be considered successful or happy.

I don't think that's the problem right now. The problem is the stereotype people have associated single people obsessed with 2D girls with. There could be a person out there who has a stable job, nice personality, is single, and uses this for sexual relief. That's not a bad thing. But we all know most likely someone who is like this works at a minimum wage job, lives alone, doesn't interact with anyone, stays at home all day drinking beer, hasn't shaved in a month, and faps all day to hentai and porn. Main point being: if you have a wife, a stable job, a lot of friends, then you wouldn't need to use 2D characters for sexual relief. If you do, then most likely you aren't successful and is a failure in life, which people look down on. "If you have time to fap to a 2D girl, then go out and find yourself a job." That's what most would say. Again, some people might be excluded from this, but it is generally the stereotype people associate people like this with.
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