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INTEREST: BBC Radio Explores Lolicon in Japan


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encrypted12345



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:04 pm Reply with quote
mrsatan wrote:
As soon as I heard "BBC" I knew what kind of slant this story would have. The UK has always had a bizarre, perverted view of anime and manga and they also have a pedophile hysteria going because of that Jimmy Saville scandal and the fallout of all that. Fathers taking pictures of their own children are being accused of being a "nonce" over there now.
So hacks like this author can get all kinds of revenue by feeding into that hysteria, creating a new boogeyman for the British people to fear-- The Lolicon.


Pretty much, as with various other European countries. They are overwhelmingly left, and these days, moral panic seems to come from extreme leftists rather than crazy right wing Christians.

Also, lol at the BBC article picking a picture with big boobs. Conflating ephebophilia with pedophilia is a bad idea since some modern Western countries do allow marriages at 16, not to mention that it was probably normal worldwide a few thousand years ago. At least Australia only saw flat chests as problematic, as stupid as that still is.
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Broly The Saiyan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:04 pm Reply with quote
i personally dont see a problem with the comics after all they are just fictional characters nothing more
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DmonHiro





PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:19 pm Reply with quote
Broly The Saiyan wrote:
i personally don't see a problem with the comics after all they are just fictional characters nothing more

I'm afraid you are suffering from a severe case of "common sense". If you don't get help soon, you're going to start having more and more intelligent thoughts, and you won't be able to accept the moral bullshit of the ignorant masses.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:25 pm Reply with quote
Maybe this is all deflection to take heat off Britain's inability to protect their own children from rape in the physical world.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:27 pm Reply with quote
Thank goodness I never opened up BBC's article concerning this issue of risque material involving child characters.

Personally, I wouldn't see myself wanting to own any risque material; however, that doesn't mean that I have a problem with people producing it. As long as no actual people are being harmed in any way, it isn't worth the time throwing a fit over a drawing, even if the character within it happens to look under-aged.
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Broly The Saiyan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:30 pm Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Broly The Saiyan wrote:
i personally don't see a problem with the comics after all they are just fictional characters nothing more

I'm afraid you are suffering from a severe case of "common sense". If you don't get help soon, you're going to start having more and more intelligent thoughts, and you won't be able to accept the moral bullshit of the ignorant masses.


Yeah it seems people now a days think fictional characters are actual people its like they cant tell the difference from reality and fiction hopefully japan doesnt ban those manga and anime stuff after all no one is harmed in it
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taster of pork



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:30 pm Reply with quote
The BBC isn't known for its balanced reporting and from what I've seen, most western media tend to focus more on hentai when they talk about anime.
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Fedora-san



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:14 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Yeah, because one has intense focus on the subject and is done for profit.


I see. I guess I just kind of feel similar to Hameyadea then. That kind of sexualization of underage people is everywhere. So much unregulated stuff like on YouTube and even some on American media, it's just Japan found a way to monetize it. In that regard I guess I just find it a bit hard to fault those idol videos since they're just capitalizing on a niche market which Japan is pretty good at already. If it's going to exist, at least it's being regulated, rather than being random home videos on YouTube without a filter and all those pervy comments on them with no wall between the subject and the audience.

I guess the main concern is as of right now it's perfectly legal, and the only way to make it not legal is to invoke obscenity laws on it. But once you do that, it opens up a window to censor and change other things based on laws relying on an individual's personal discretion of "I'll know it when I see it". It might lead to censorship in other areas as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:16 pm Reply with quote
As much as I'm not into lolicon (note: I haven't listen to the BBC report and I'm not into lolicon manga or anime), but yeah I understand it maybe a bit bias, but then again which western news media doesn't have any bias or open-mindedness when it comes to anime and manga. But I will agree Junior idols are a bit borderline creepy after seeing this.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:22 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
As much as I'm not into lolicon (note: I haven't listen to the BBC report and I'm not into lolicon manga or anime), but yeah I understand it maybe a bit bias, but then again which western news media doesn't have any bias or open-mindedness when it comes to anime and manga. But I will agree Junior idols are a bit borderline creepy after seeing this.


I seen that and it makes you want to call the cps on the parents, parents should not let their daughters become an idol at that young of an age since only old men go to those events.

I also have an idea, instead of banning junior idols outright, they could sanitize it and switch the marketing to children.
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Greboruri



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:30 pm Reply with quote
James Fletcher, BBC News, Tokyo wrote:
This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.


Come on down Dr. Milton Diamond;

Dr. Milton Diamond wrote:
The relationship between pornography's increasing availability in Japan and the incidence of rape, sexual assault, and public indecency was examined using data collected during 1972-95.

[...]

The number and availability of sexually explicit materials increased in Japan over the years 1972-95. At the same time, the incidence of rape declined from 4,677 cases with 5,464 offenders in 1972 to 1,500 cases with 1,160 offenders in 1995. The number of rapes committed by juveniles also markedly decreased. The incidence of sexual assault declined from 3,139 cases in 1972 to fewer than 3,000 cases for each year during 1975-90. The incidence of reported public indecencies decreased by about one-third. Marked declines also occurred in the numbers of murders and nonsexual violent physical assaults. Murders dropped by some 40 percent; nonsexual physical assaults decreased by about 60 percent. Findings were similar to those in Denmark, Sweden, and West Germany.

[...]

Nevertheless, the myth persists that an abundance of sexually explicit material invariably leads to an abundance of sexual activity and eventually rape. A variety of societal factors may relate to the decrease in sex offenses. Nevertheless, the data make clear that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan has been correlated with a marked decrease in sex offenses, particularly among juveniles as perpetrators or victims.


End of story (unless you have compelling peer reviewed evidence), move on.
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Drac



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:02 pm Reply with quote
"BBC Radio Explores Pedophile Scandal Within The BBC" would never be accepted so a report on fake child porn from Japan it is then. Vice also explored "Hentai" and the lack of tentacle porn recently too. Anime and Manga will always be brought up in these contexts because these news outlets know people can't get enough of stupid tired memes.
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Broly The Saiyan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:36 pm Reply with quote
I dont think japan will ban fictional characters since thats where a lot of their money comes from and if they did i hope they atleast allow the regular hentai to be safe
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krelyan



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:25 am Reply with quote
Fedora-san wrote:
Is there really such a difference between those things and just going to the pool or beach and seeing girls in swimsuits, though?


I dunno. Are you going to the beach to ogle children? If so, then yes, there probably isn't a difference.

Is that a honest question? Rolling Eyes
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wertwow



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:55 am Reply with quote
So after reading and listening to the article, I am not as annoyed I'd thought I would be. I think it is for the most part balanced (or at least as balanced as this sort of article could be), I am thankful they speak to a good range of people on the topic, and cover most of the arguments, all be it briefly, for both sides. I am also glad to see that it has taken into account Japans wider problem with child pornography (with idols etc).


However while certainly the show points out that manga is far more than just sex and child porn, the causal listener, who knows nothing of either Manga or Anime, would come away thinking the majority of Manga is just that.

This article/radio piece is just one in a long line of articles on this topic by the BBC (there was an hour long show a few months ago which had a long piece on love plus). I find it annoying that the BBC seemingly refuses to produce any positive article or programme on the subject(anime/manga).Although I don't disagree that this sort of debate is one we should be having, it still shouldn't be the one that introduces the medium to people.

Hopefully in the run up to 2020 we'll have some more positive articles surrounding anime/manga in the mainstream media. Although I am sure we will also get a lot more like this one.


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