Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2006-11-10]
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Radical Lindsay
Posts: 16 Location: Houston, TX |
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The question about non-anime cosplaying was a little heartwarming since so far the only cosplay I've done is Claire Redfield (Code Veronica (X) version) at A-Kon and Oni-Con. I think anime and video games are quite similar and people tend to enjoy both at the same time, so I felt in place. Plus I've seen a couple of Weskers and seen other character cosplay pics, so I'm not alone. ^-^
And I admit, I didn't enjoy the rant that much. One of the most amusing parts was "The same can be said for Naruto, which is wrongfully being aimed at younger viewers." I'm older than a teenager and know that Naruto's for kids, and I don't mind that. The blood is occasional and often light and kids can take animated blood. I don't think kids would handle the amount of blood and gore in Akira, though. That film's clearly for adults. Plus Naruto is about kids with crazy, far-out, near-magical ninja abilities. Even Rock Lee's down-to-earth and more believable taijutsu is unrealistic when he opens Chakra gates and looks Super Saiyan. (don't get me wrong, I love Lee; he's one of my favorite characters) Not only that, I bet fansubs add the swears to make it look more adult and more appealing to older fans. That's what I've heard anyways; 'seems true to me, I can't imagine Naruto accurately having lots of swears, but I haven't seen the official uncut DVDs yet (which is what I'd go by if I'm going to watch subs). So yeah, this week's column was pretty amusing. And you ROCK Zac for getting a Wii. Sadly, I don’t know if I can afford it the day it comes out. I'm dying to get it though, especially since I think my GameCube is finally kicking the bucket (one too many over 2 foot high falls, I think, lol). Last edited by Radical Lindsay on Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:13 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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I don't mind video game cosplays, but Jack Sparrow is a little out of place. RPGs from Japan and anime are very similar and that is one reason why I don't mind cosplayers who are from video games. Also, some video games turn into anime/manga. Cosplaying at anime cons are more about the fandom of anime than the anime itself, I think. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Jack Sparrow is almost excuseable since he appeared in Kingdom Hearts 2.
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Ariolander
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As are disney cosplays I bet. We need more disney characters. They are excusable since they are in KH aswell. Nect year at AX i demand to see a little mermaid!
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Last year at AX there was a troupe of 4 girls cosplaying Disney Princesses. Which was amusing since if they'd walked maybe 200 feet to the north they'd have been escorted off the premises by Disney property management. |
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PantsGoblin
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Encyclopedia Editor Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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Hmm, for once I'm on daxomni's side here... I will not doubt that the Japanese discourage indivituality and critical thinking... In fact, I was just talking about it in another thread... But you seem to be comparing your friend's lack of being able to express her "indivituality" with being "social". Those are two completely different issues, and don't necessarily coincide. Personally, I have a strong sense of indivituality, but am not really the most social person... I know this is the same case with a lot of hikikomori, if you'll read the thread I linked to. Basically, it seems to me you're completely misinterpreting what it is with Japanese people. Being quiet and polite does not coincide with being anti-social. That is part of their culture. The Japanese are not anti-social from what I've seen and experienced. They are just more quiet about it. And anti-social does not coincide with indivituality either. You seem to be grouping them all together for some reason.
I actually didn't see any of this kind of attitude at all in Japan. I'm not doubting it exists, but all of the anime fans I met there didn't seem to care at all that I was into anime. A friend who I met in Japan, even thought it was pretty cool that I even knew about most of the stuff there, since he never met any foreigner who knew so much (or so he said...). I've also had multiple anime fans in Japan actually help me (and no, they were not just people working at the stores, they were completely random people who I didn't even know). While waiting in line to get a CD from my favorite seiyuu, there was one otaku who even helped me a bit... since they were talking in Japanese, I didn't really know what to do some of the time... he knew a little English, so he helped me with it. I was very thankful. And the seiyuu, I met was more than happy to see me. She was extremely nice. She even wrote about me on her website... ... But then again, I'm not really like most of the foreigners there... I'm very quiet and shy, pretty much like the rest of them. But they seemed to accept me and didn't look down on me at all. Although, if you were very loud, talkative, and obnoxious when you were there, I could see why they were rude to you. Most of the time they don't like foreigners when they act like that (which unfortunately, many of them do). That doesn't mean they're anti-social, as I said before. That would just mean you were acting inappropriately in a completely different culture, where you are expected to act differently. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Lanisatu
Posts: 65 Location: Vaughan, Ontario, Canada |
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First of all, there is Star Wars manga. I own a volume of the manga released by Dark Horse. And, as someone else mentioned, there's also Star Wars manga released by Tokyopop. There's your relevance.
I don't understand why you're putting Star Wars and Star Trek in completely different categories. History of fan culture seems irrelevant -- especially if you try to compare more recent fans. Star Trek series include various anime and manga references. And there are Star Wars manga novels. How can you say that cosplaying one is okay and the other isn't? What bothers me are the people who are only fans of Star Trek who publicly complain that anime is "crap" at an inappropriate venue. (I am a fan of Star Trek series myself, but I'm also a fan of anime and manga) Honestly -- if the people who made Star Trek like anime and manga, and you're at a convention where there are obviously anime fans (e.g Hobbystar's Toronto multi-con, of which anime and sci-fi are both a part) keep your opinions to yourself. You're not winning any friends.
YTV airs anime uncut (save for the occasional muting of a swear word, if you can count that). And titles they've aired have (at least sometimes) been more popular in Canada than in the U.S. Like Gundam SEED. To me, the problem seems to be that CN is mistargeting some of the properties they choose. That's the only reason I can think of that would lead to the assumption that it must be edited. Surely, it would be simpler and cheaper to increase the rating slightly. And it's not difficult to use disclaimers either, is it? I honestly don't understand the editing of manga. It's not like anime, where we can easily choose edited versus unedited. Buying Japanese language comics is not that simple. And scanlations or text translations are not always available. I haven't noticed Japanese language manga outside of cons. Chinese language is reasonably easy to find though. If a parent ignores a rating -- that is the fault of the parent. They have no reason to complain if they choose to be ignorant of ratings which are clearly printed on the outside of the package/ item. There are ratings on video games and CDs, but I haven't heard of parents complaining about their little kids being exposed to something they think they shouldn't have been exposed to for those media. Why is manga different? |
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MorwenLaicoriel
Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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Are you kidding? Have you missed all of the controversy surrounding Grand Theft Auto? That was clearly labeled M for SEXUAL CONTENT, yet something of a slightly higher rating is revealed by a mod, then...you have parents saying "NOOO PROTECT MY CHILDREN"! Seriously. that being said, I DO think parents really don't have much of a right to complain when something is clearly labeled. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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I heard that one had to download the scene unorder to view it. Children would had to have gone out of their way to view it. Also, rated M games aren't ment for children; they are for mature audiances, hense the rating, and the suggested age is seventeen.
Why would one edit a novel? Same reason for manga. Normally the edits aren't that much of a problem anyways. Most mangas I've seen have age labels on the back. If something says 13+ or 16+, they mean 13+ or 16+, not for children. French manga is also easy to get. Also, easier for anglophones to understand. |
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Lanisatu
Posts: 65 Location: Vaughan, Ontario, Canada |
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I vaguely recall some brief mention of mini games in GTA that contained sexual content quite a while back. It didn't seem like a huge controversy to me. By the time you're 17, you can rent almost anything from a video store. The cutoff for the "adults only" rating is 18. Oh wow, a whole year. Like that'll make a difference. From what I heard, it is not that explicit. And it's not like it's available to 13 year olds. |
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HitokiriShadow
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There WAS a big controversy despite the points mentioned (politicians and outraged parents don't care for details like that since it takes steam out of their Righteous Rage), and the point was about the fact that there was a contoversy not that it was the same situation or that it was even valid.
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Lanisatu
Posts: 65 Location: Vaughan, Ontario, Canada |
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I barely heard anything about it, and didn't care to follow the story. It seems sometimes like that game series just tries to push things so that they get more press. Regardless, nobody said that the video game should be edited (correct me if I'm wrong). The "controversy" seemed to be about whether or not it had an appropriate rating. Why then, is manga sometimes edited rather than having the rating adjusted? Or even shrink-wrapping the books (which is done sometimes, I know). |
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Canuckian
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It was edited though, as the ESRB re-rated the game as AO-Adults Only, and since Major Retail Chains don't sell AO titles, RockStar edited it out. The first Edited Version would replace all Unedited Copies as a Special Edition with a Bonus DVD. This version of the game would later be used for "Greatest Hits/Platinuim Hits/etc." re-releases. Either way the ESRB and RockStar are in trouble agian because of Bully, the Boy-On-Boy kissing scenes(Although this is like the "Hot Coffee" where it can be avoided easily) have sparked controversy, especially since the game is rated T for ages 13+. |
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Lanisatu
Posts: 65 Location: Vaughan, Ontario, Canada |
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It sounds like you're saying that the creators/ manufacturer of the game made the decision to edit the game. While they may have felt pressured because of the rating, that's still an independent decision isn't it? That's different from a publisher who distributes a translated version of a manga deciding to edit the translated version. If the orginal creator decides to edit (or gives permission to do so), that's their decision. I think it's a bit weird when someone else decides it must be edited. Also, it seems like you're saying that the original version of the game is available in addition to the edited version. While we can get uncut commercial releases of translated anime in addition to edited versions sometimes; that doesn't seem to be the case for manga. There's usually one version; two if the publisher previously released a flipped version and later decides to release an unflipped version. Am I missing something? Because I've never heard of an edited graphic novel release and a later or simultaneous unedited graphic novel release for the same item (in English). The closest thing I can think of is when Dark Horse cut part of a scene in Gunsmith Cats in their manga magazine -- but it was left intact in the graphic novel. |
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