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Hey, Answerman! [2006-11-10]

You need to understand a few things about the U.S.:

2) We love are lawsuits and we sue for ANYTHING. Seriously, people can break into a house, get trapped in there, and then sue the homeowner. And they can win.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Oooo! Pot calling kettle!

Did someone replace you with a 14 year old kid with a slightly better vocabulary? I don't even see how this applies. Yes I'm a terrible, awful person but I'm not being some elitist prick over what people 'should' and 'shouldn't' see.

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So you have seen both versions of the OVA too then?

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No, I have not. However, I've read the edit lists and have leard from others who've seen it that all in all, it's not a big deal. The core story remained in tact, a bit of dialouge was changed, but it wasn't a One Piece or Card Captors type of edit and to even assume that is simply ridiculous and almost joke-like.

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Also One Piece was chopped by $kids, not CN.

I'm fully aware of who edited and released One Piece, thanks, and did you know that if you replace the S at the end of $kids with $ then you get $kid$! So that means you get twice the arrogant jerk level than before! Better link it to Micro$oft and $ony and Di$ney so you can get another three levels!

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Well I probably was the oldest of the fans complaining, but certainly not the only fan. No, I would guess the hugh and cry was quite loud for them to justify such a PR response to quell the anger, and just who would have been injured if the OVA wasn't aired on TV then?

Wait, you were injured by this? I mean, by any definition, this is ridiculous. From what I've seen, all you're complaining about is that T&A was removed from the show. If that's so important then what the hell is Tenchi worth?

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Anyone who had seen the TV Universe, then had any deeper interest, would have soon found out, by the intarweb, that there were other Tenchi series to be seen, so I don't think anyone would have been that denied, the rest wouldn't even care.

This is five/six years ago. The internet, aswell as the Internet anime scene, was nowhere near as big as it is today. You couldn't honestly put something out with the hopes that Internet folks would hopefully get lead to it, and even today it's still a bad idea.

It's in general better for them to get companies to edit their shows because that means, should CN get in trouble, more blame can be placed on the companies responsible for content and editing. It also means less work for them, and allows quicker results for work (licensor directly to licensee for approval, rather than CN to licensor to Licensee, which is potentially mind-numbing).

If AIC had objections to it's broadcast, either uncut or edited, they would have put a stop to it and said "my way or the highway". Since it went ahead, safe to say that it's fine.

Additionally, I would assume you're aware of the cultural divide in regards to Cartoons in Japan and the US. You'd also be aware that CN Japan doesn't hold the same standards as CN in the UK, US, Australia or certian other places. So it can get away with uncut Tenchi because back then (and today or whatever) it's completely acceptable. The US and Japan are different companies and I doubt CN would've wanted to take such a high risk airing uncut Tenchi back then, because there's absolutely no gaurantee it'd pay off (infact there is no gaurantee, as dumb as this sounds, people simply wouldn't be 'ready' for it yet).

All in all you're complaining about ancient edits that've already been justified, which helped develop and construct different standards for broadcast of Anime today. Baby steps can often screw up- that's what they are for. Get over it, and live in the present. We've got enough things to worry about without worrywarts bothering everyone about an issue that you'd need a time machine to fix.

My my someone is in a "grumpy" mood then.

Again it seems you have miscomprehended what I have been saying. I never said, nor meant to say, that people shouldn't see it. Just that it needed have been broadcasted at all if it meant that such drastic edits had to occur in order to show it at the time slot CN did. It was never meant for that purpose in the first place. Why would I want no one to see it uncut, except that they are too young? Indeed people can see the edited version if that is what they perfer. The same can be said for Cardcaptors, and One Piece too.

That edit list was ony the tip of the iceberg. One would have to experience it to get the full affect. Also I can not help the fact that to some it was "no big deal", to others, including myself at the time, it was.

Damn I've done it again. Sorry but on UK keyboards the $ is up-shift on the 4 key, and I have a habit of pushing the shift key when I shouldn't. My appologies to any 4kids fans who were offended.

Would you like to read that again Mr. theeunich?

No, I believe it was only 4 years ago. You live in Austrialia, do you not? I can not say what the level of accessability the personal computer was "down under" back then, but I believe it was quite at a higher level in the US where this incident occured.

It also means that when things like One Piece hit the air, it was 4Kids what got the flack, not them.

I believe it was the then Pioneer Ent. US who allowed the editing, and I would guess, as it wasn't in their back yard, so to speak, AIC were quite happy to see just how it would pan.

I'm also aware that CN Japan aired it after midnight too, not at 1800.

I agree, and my only purpose was to highlight that the editing of the Tenchi Muyo OVAs by CN was, at that time, the benchmark of the later Cardcaptors, and One Piece that many of late are railing about today. Sure what happened to the latter two was as bad to even worse, but back then it was "the Toonami version" that had ruffled feathers before them. I'll finish by saying the old cliché; "If one forgets what one's lessons teach, one must learn them all over again." (And before you start, Mr. theeunich, no it wasn't meant for you personally, but feel free to take it on board if you wish.)

Sure what happened to the latter two was as bad to even worse, but back then it was "the Toonami version" that had ruffled feathers before them. :

for all of you Japanese people

OPEN UP AND BE SOCIABLE DANG IT!! STOP BEING SO DAMN CUT AND DRY POLITE!!!

yeah, thats the problem man, the lack of social interaction, or the unwillingness to make friends, as demostrated on your post...

and for all of you Japanese people

OPEN UP AND BE SOCIABLE DANG IT!! STOP BEING SO DAMN CUT AND DRY POLITE!!!

This is my problem: Yes, I visited Japan once, the least friendly people there are actually anime fans, they see me as "who is this guy doing here, is'nt DBZ being shown outside? why he want to be here?" asides smiles and small chat, they don't want to do nothing with you, ever try to make "real" japanese friends, not acquaintances but people with real substance? no you don't because is in their culture, they are anti-social from the start, the culture is opressed and don't tell me it isn't because my best japanese friend (just one) is a girl that feels liberated with all that bullcrap that he culture makes her feel, with me she doesnt have to act, or react, or keep a pose to fit in, she can be herself without fear of rejection, we discussed the flaws of Japan culture so many times that I can tell you for sure because I experience it, they smile at you, they are polite but you can see deep inside that they don't wanna socialize with you 'cause you are not japanese, this is the truth, go ahead and experience it first hand.

"Secondly...I'm....not a man. ...The drawing for my avatar is actually...me. (It doesn't look THAT much like a guy, does it?)"

Ehh...yeah it does, maybe some more femenine features next time? or drawing improvement? oh no, scratch that, well, is hard to tell, I bited my tongue trying to pronunciating your nick anyway, so nor your drawing or your name gave me a clear clue who I was talking too, Im not saying you re ugly or not feminine, is just, your drawing and name are misleading
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"so now I won't even have a group of friends to pal around with while I'm there. "
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ohh the poor baby...doesnt have more friends to hang around with... why I need to know this? if you are attending anime cons you should know better what's there, the experience is the one you make it, ever try to make a group for next year? ever try to hang around the volunteer room anyway, they are cool people to hang around with, you are way to lazy my friend, trying to find the manual of "better con enjoyment" next time I will bring a spoon and bib and spoon the convention to you so you don't miss anything...Im lazy but you take the cake
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"Secondly...I'm....not a man. ...The drawing for my avatar is actually...me. (It doesn't look THAT much like a guy, does it?)"

Ehh...yeah it does, maybe some more femenine features next time? or drawing improvement? oh no, scratch that, well, is hard to tell, I bited my tongue trying to pronunciating your nick anyway, so nor your drawing or your name gave me a clear clue who I was talking too, Im not saying you re ugly or not feminine, is just, your drawing and name are misleading
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"What's your problem, man? How many foreign countries have you visited anyway? Ever been to Japan or read about their culture? Maybe you need to go see it for yourself. Actually, scratch that, we probably don't need any more ambadassadors like you."

This is my problem: Yes, I visited Japan once, the least friendly people there are actually anime fans, they see me as "who is this guy doing here, is'nt DBZ being shown outside? why he want to be here?" asides smiles and small chat, they don't want to do nothing with you, ever try to make "real" japanese friends, not acquaintances but people with real substance? no you don't because is in their culture, they are anti-social from the start, the culture is opressed and don't tell me it isn't because my best japanese friend (just one) is a girl that feels liberated with all that bullcrap that he culture makes her feel, with me she doesnt have to act, or react, or keep a pose to fit in, she can be herself without fear of rejection, we discussed the flaws of Japan culture so many times that I can tell you for sure because I experience it, they smile at you, they are polite but you can see deep inside that they don't wanna socialize with you 'cause you are not japanese, this is the truth, go ahead and experience it first hand.

I am Chilean, and I been in 6 different countries (Chile, argentina, Brazil, Italy , Usa, Paraguay, Japan) , I learn english on the street just socializing and I made tons of friends on random places and my only Japanese friend Yuko, I met her in a convenience store with no anime topic in the middle.
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"what the hell? read that to yourself and then wonder why they act that way..."

-Because the otaku culture of being "unable to socialize" is cool?

-Because rumors that americans bite?

-Because we are trying to steal their precious anime culture and make it our own?

-Because we are trying to act like them?

-Because they are AFRAID of socialize because of their culture?

-Because they need to keep an image in front of their other japanese peers in order to be accepted.

-Because she is afraid that you want to marry her in order to be taken out to live in japan?

-Because he is afraid that you gonna embarrass him with your "fandom passion"?

I don't know man, that question has so many variables in that difficult culture that nor you or me gonna have a definite answer, but one thing is clear, why do you think japan has the higher suicidal rate? among teens? ohhh you didn't know that heh...maybe Japan is not the paradise you expected? no is not.

If you are not looking for games/manga/toys, that is.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Sure what happened to the latter two was as bad to even worse, but back then it was "the Toonami version" that had ruffled feathers before them. :

Huh? What about Sailor Moon, DBZ, Robotech, Voltron, and Battle Of The Planets? Those were all heavily edited dubs that were aired on American TV long before an edited version of Tenchi Muyo had even been considered and even had very large fanbases with American audiences. Tenchi Muyo was hardly the dub that "ruffled feathers" before Cardcaptors and One Piece. Maybe you should actually try watching some edited dubs besides those dubs that were aired on Toonami after 2000 before you try to act like you know what you're talking about.