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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:53 pm Reply with quote
I wish the site didn't get downtime this weekend because I liked seeing the disagreements on the sex question.
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Guys bad news. Charter is dropping Smile of a Child TV on February 24! Along with some other crap I don't care like sports channels! Good riddance! Save our Little Women! At least I have u-verse so I'm safe!Smile poor charter anime fans Crying or Very sad
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Shocked Shocked Shocked Holy s(bleep), my posts (including my opening post) are gone during the downtime!!!! Do I have to type my stuff all over again. Crying or Very sad Anime cry
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:34 pm Reply with quote
nbahn wrote:


I'm already aware of this, and I showed my displeasure here, nbahn.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:35 pm Reply with quote
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I assumed that that you hadn't closely read the article.
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Hameyadea



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:46 am Reply with quote
From about a 80-posts thread to (currently) about 10. Sad

Well, pre-Shutdown I wrote that Japan is quite ambiguous regarding the sex and sexuality matter (as are most countries), in Japan the genitalia in porn is pixelated, but shows with a clear Shōnen-/Shōjo-Ai (Boys-/Girls-Love) are shown on TV.

On the other hand, in Western countries (U.S., U.K., France, etc) the porn is uncensored and signs for sex shops can be hung above the store's front without any law requiring to cover-up the sign, but most shows with a LGBT tendency (however how slight) will cause strong reactions; from open letters to change the subject matter, create an open debate (those cases are usually done at the local/regional level, very rarely at district-level and above), protests and so on.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:53 am Reply with quote
Well I did wrote that (before the infamous shutdown):

-Japan has weird double standard on sexuality (censor genital in porn, but allowed festival like this one and this)

-Brought up about Japan being slow on the video streaming scene.

-I also talked about any anime/manga setting in WW2 being an issue due to historical issue within Japan's politic and how these historical revision hurt/effect Japan's neighbor.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:24 am Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Well I did wrote that (before the infamous shutdown):

-Japan has weird double standard on sexuality (censor genital in porn, but allowed festival like this one and this)

-Brought up about Japan being slow on the video streaming scene.

-I also talked about any anime/manga setting in WW2 being an issue due to historical issue within Japan's politic and how these historical revision hurt/effect Japan's neighbor.


As some people had said before the site went down, each country has its hypocrites.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:05 am Reply with quote
Yeah, I definitely had to do some historical research while watching Nightraid 1931 because I wasn't really familiar with any of the events mentioned or going on at the time. I consider that a plus though since I love history.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:16 am Reply with quote
I'll try to repost what I said before as best I can.



Several years ago when I decided to collect merchandise beyond just discs I did a bit of research on collecting cels since it seems pretty cool to own a piece of a show. However, seeing as how cel animation was nearly extinct at the time, I wasn't too thrilled with either paying gobs for an original or risking that the "deal" I found was a fake. For better or worse, I ended up settling on figures as my main merchandise collection beyond DVD/Blu-ray.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:40 am Reply with quote
On sex in Japan. Being a librarian I will recommend some reading.

Japanese censorship laws are a holdover from the Meiji Period when Japan was trying to become more respectable to the West. If my memory is correct they modeled their laws on British and US law of the time. There have been challenges over the years which have relaxed the regulations. A good book on the post WWII cases is:

Cather, Kirsten
The Art of Censorship in Postwar Japan
Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press, 2012

During the 1930s and early 1940s Japanese censorship clamped down tighter than most of us can imagine. When the war ended the restrictions on the press were removed to the degree that articles were regularly published that would have been illegal in the US until the 1970s. An excellent book on that period is:

McLelland, Mark
Love, Sex, and Democracy in Japan During the American Occupation
New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2012

Prostitution was outlawed in Japan in 1956. The law was written to not punish the women in the trade but to protect them from pimps, brothel owners etc. The legal sex trade, strip joints, soaplands etc. is regulated and restricted to certain areas. In that trade are found many sexual acts that would be illegal in most US states, but not in all, and are not considered prostitution in Japan.

For a translation of the Japanese law see:

The Prostitution Prevention Law of Japan
Tokyo: Eibun-Horei-Sha, Inc., 2011

I have sections relating to the Japanese sex trade in my web supplement to the Anime Companion.

http://www.koyagi.com/ACPages/subjects.html#sx

The subject of the sex trade, legal and illegal, in Japan is a hard one to find good material on published in English. Most of what has been written, especially online, is often wrong and in many cases more fiction than reality.
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I know most of the country is buried under snow and cold, so it's unseemly to complain about this, but I don't care. It's February, all the trees in LA are in full bloom, and so my allergies are ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING ME right now. I guess I'd better finish this column before my eyes swell shut.


lol My grass is under six feet right now. I suffer with allergies too but I prefer it to this snow... Though I say this now probably regret it in spring (what I like to call Road Work season)
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:34 pm Reply with quote
@ Hameyadea:

I think you're missing the fact that porn's a lost cause in the western world. There are still groups fighting against it(and not just traditional moralists, either), but they're not going anywhere and we've been living in a culture where it's considered normal for long enough to not care. LGBT issues are new and still divisive.

In Japan, on the other hand, yuri and BL are older forms of literature with fewer social mores against them. However, they don't actually connect to LGBT issues; yuri ultimately grew out of the class S genre of close, temporary relationships and BL has a tendency to be simply a stand-in for a heterosexual relationship. Both are understood as pure fantasy(much like with lesbian porn, liking it doesn't mean accepting the real-life equivalent), though the terms do tend to encompass works that ground themselves in reality.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:36 pm Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
However, seeing as how cel animation was nearly extinct at the time, I wasn't too thrilled with either paying gobs for an original or risking that the "deal" I found was a fake.


I've been buying cels for over 12 years. Your risk of buying a fake anime cel is pretty slim. I have received 0 fake cels in all my years of buying.

For one thing, the amount of work and expense necessary to create one often is not worth the amount you could sell it for. Unlike original art where a shikishi purchased at Daiso for $1 and a black marker are you need to make a fake, cels require you to buy acetate, paint and a Xerox machine to create trace lines. In all but popular series like Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, etc, most cels sell for $100 or less. And those people who collect know what to look for, so trying to pull the wool over their eyes by charging $$$ for a fake cel isn't likely to occur.

Fake cels typically do not have registration holes, sequence numbers, matching sketches and a matching background. If you stumble across a cel with all four elements, there's a 99.9% chance that it's the real thing.
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