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See to me that is different. Signing your name, as a handful of users do, to me is not a "signature" in the sense of what I feel they are trying to prevent. That being the flashy gifs, obnoxious images, offensive quotes, etc. that are used when forums enable "signatures." Simply signing your name at the end of a post, arguably as it is proper discussion/letter etiquette, is not what I think most would consider a forum "signature." I mean they could technically enforce the rule to the exact letter with that but like you said considering the main man signs his name it's easy to see why they are lax on that. Same goes for your "locations." Snake Mountain Cocktail Lounge comes to mind heh.

On a separate note whatever happened to picking more subscriber titles to use (over 9000, thread killer, collector, etc)? That really died overnight almost. Random thought.

I agree with Psycho on the signatures thing. Signing your name off at the end of a post is quite different from having a seizure inducing animated gif at the end of every post. There was someone a while back who put some kind of crazy Christian propaganda at the end of all their posts. That was stamped on pretty quickly.

Tempest wrote:

If you can make the rules shorter, I'm all for it.

If they get longer... I'm unlikely to approve any changes.

And this ends my involvement in trying to rationalize ANN's rules. If we are dealing with an owner who is totally comfortable with the fact that his unpaid mods will be enforcing rules that in some cases aren't even codified any where or scattered in different forums, what can I say? I think a sloppy system like that is unfair both to the mods and the users but there is a level of managerial and customer service incompetence that I'm simply not prepared to try and rectify.

Peace out.

Blood- wrote:

And this ends my involvement in trying to rationalize ANN's rules.

I am starting to feel the same, but I am not ready to give up yet.

I think that a distinction should be made between rules that are decreed by Tempest and policies that are formulated and enforced by moderators.
For example, "Thou shalt not over quote!" is a rule, and what constitutes over quoting is a policy.

I think that one of the major complaints that Blood- had was that the policies are not explained in the Rules forum, and the problem with that is that people who actually want to learn and follow the rules will look in the Rules forum, not the Feedback forum.

Would it be possible to at least have a brief notice in the Rules that directs people to go to the Feedback forum to see the policies?

I do agree with Blood-, assuming that I am right about his opinion, but I am not quite as concerned about it as he is.
Warning people about violating policies and directing them to the appropriate threads here, as is being done now, seems like it should be sufficient.

It would be a problem if a moderator comes down hard on somebody for breaking a "rule" that is not actually in the rules, but I am not aware of that happening.

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Touma wrote:

I think that one of the major complaints that Blood- had was that the policies are not explained in the Rules forum, and the problem with that is that people who actually want to learn and follow the rules will look in the Rules forum, not the Feedback forum.

Exactly so. But it's worse than even that. Sure it's kind of ridiculous that all of ANN's rules can't be found in one place. But let me reiterate: mods are "enforcing" rules that aren't written down ANY WHERE. How absurd is that? I can surmise that there are probably some mods who aren't really comfortable with that situation and I can't blame them.

However, we are dealing with an owner who has decided that there are enough rules and if mods have to enforce policy that is not codified any where then, boo-hoo-hoo sucks to be them. Brilliant.

If someone would be kind enough to create a post expanding upon an issue, then I would copy it and turn it into a stickied thread.

@ Touma, I also think that the over-quoting rule needs to be reviewed. Yes, I ran afoul of it because I had one too many quotes, but I had to have that for proper context,and my own post was long enough that it wasn't long quote and short text. Since the correction, there is no context for what I was actually replying to.

However, I can also see the need for flexiability. The site's "don't be a dick" rule is a very good one.

AbZeroNow wrote:

@ Touma, I also think that the over-quoting rule needs to be reviewed. Yes, I ran afoul of it because I had one too many quotes, but I had to have that for proper context,and my own post was long enough that it wasn't long quote and short text. Since the correction, there is no context for what I was actually replying to.

The overquoting rule is there because you don't want to quote like 5 different person in one setting like this one for example. It can be a big eyesore hence why the over-quoting exist for.

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dtm42 provides (in my opinion, anyway) a good explanation of how to appropriately use spoiler tags.
Also:

7a's last sentence should include at the end: "and provide details/rationale in the comment box."
I believe that the 2-month rule should start from the last posting. (I'll try to get Key's opinion.)

AbZeroNow wrote:

@ Touma, I also think that the over-quoting rule needs to be reviewed. Yes, I ran afoul of it because I had one too many quotes, but I had to have that for proper context,and my own post was long enough that it wasn't long quote and short text. Since the correction, there is no context for what I was actually replying to.

However, I can also see the need for flexiability. The site's "don't be a dick" rule is a very good one.

Well we just updated the over-quoting rule and went through a big ordeal with it. So what you see is what you get on that one I wager. And there are ways to avoid over quoting while keeping the material for context. Copy and paste works. Turn it into one bigger quote. Turn each point you're responding to into it's own quote and respond to each one individually within your one post. All of this is outlined in the over quoting thread by the way. Not trying to be a dick with this but there are ways around it and they are in the over quoting thread. A thread that you should have gotten a link to in the offending post with the mod edit and the PM you should have received as well. Don't know what else to tell you on that one.

Since the issue of fake signatures has been raised I would like to see a thread here explaining what that means.
I am unsure about it.
Some people seems to think that it involves misuse of the "Location" field in the user profile.

Another, relatively low priority, suggestion for future consideration would be a thread about image etiquette.
This could give guidelines for size, quantity, appropriateness, etc.

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With the exception of the Talkback forum

This needs to be more specific. Not all threads in the Talkback are exempt unless I am mistaken. Columns, Reviews, and series discussion pieces are exempt yes, but not Interest pieces, Advertorials, and not all News pieces. Those are case by case right? That was what Zac told us. I just want to be clear so if something is a case by case judgment and CAN be locked if needed users can't come and then say well it's a Talkback thread so it's automatically exempt no matter what.

I also agree there needs to be a rule on spoilers. Those have consistently been a problem over the years and users have been yelled at for repeatedly not using them.

Okay, I've put some language to the proposed Spoiler rule. (It's a little long though). And I've modified the Necroposting rule a little.

Also, to shrink the rules so that the list doesn't appear as long, the text size can be changed. I think with the way the rules are currently set-up, having everything squished together in longer paragraphs makes for more difficult reading. A big, bolded heading captures eyes more; a quick summary of the rules within that bolded heading is even better when possible.

Exceptions to Necroposting rules are detailed in 11b, Psycho. If there are other exceptions, then they need to be included.

Willag, for the spoiler tag rule. That's pretty confusing to me and hard for me to remember (and I can't memorize specific parts), no offense. But I always put spoiler tags no matter what thread it is (review, episode review, etc...). Better to be safe then sorry I will say.

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