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Parse Error



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:54 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
Do you want a series to spend an entire first episode elaborating on the minutiae of how this all works, then?

As I said, merely mentioning a single term would have acceptably resolved my issue with the series, so of course the answer to your question is "no." It's not as though I haven't watched anime which took the entire series to fully explain their mechanics, and enjoyed watching them do so because their ideas were complex enough to fill that much time. My problem with this one is I believe the concept is simple enough that one episode should have been sufficient opportunity to provide something more credible than an implied "because it's just sadder this way."

I realize it could backtrack to address such concerns later, but one can always pick it back up if and when reviews or viewer buzz suggests it has successfully done so. However, its inability to convince me to willingly suspend disbelief by this point indicates it would likely not be a wise use of my own time to gamble it on that chance, when I'd be unable to experience its primary appeal in the meantime.

Key wrote:
I think it's definitely possible to get so hung up on the details that you can't appreciate the story.

This is true, but I believe my concern is more akin to how people who don't necessarily dislike cuteness or eroticism can find hardcore moe and ecchi shows to be cloying. I like the occasional tearjerker, but because by definition they're somewhat difficult to watch, they need to reel me in with the appearance of being more than just unapologetic tragedy porn. The detail I'm hung up on is just the most noticeable symptom of how upfront this show is about its intent.

If I had a stronger affinity for such shows, it would probably bother me about as much as the opening shot of High School DxD BorN did ecchi fans such as myself, which is to say not one bit. However, because I do not, it wasn't believable enough with respect to my expectations for Sci-fi to overcome my small degree of innate reluctance.


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CoreSignal



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:27 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
I think it's definitely possible to get so hung up on the details that you can't appreciate the story. MaxSouth has previously pretty much admitted that he's that sort of person. That's why I always take his comments on a series with more than a few grains of salt.

If anyone feels lonely without MaxSouth, come to the Arslan thread Smile . Also, I'm convinced MaxSouth only watches documenataries.

Parse Error wrote:
Those moments when the show is trying to be poignant, I'm too busy feeling annoyed that the writers themselves couldn't be bothered with properly defining plausible rules for the setting, but instead expected me to either do their job for them or unquestioningly accept arbitrary circumstances they designed specifically and solely for the purpose of generating tragedy. That distraction makes it impossible for me to enjoy the main appeal of a tearjerker.

I think it depends on much detail you want in explaining the rules for the show's universe. If a character is dying of cancer in a show, some viewers won't feel any emotional impact unless they know what kind of cancer it is or how they got it. And for some viewers, just knowing the character has cancer is adequate enough to have an emotional impact.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:26 pm Reply with quote
CoreSignal wrote:
I think it depends on much detail you want in explaining the rules for the show's universe.

Even the first season of Symphogear could be pretty sad at times, and the only logic that franchise ever operates on is pure camp. I'm not sure where people are getting this idea from that I must have expected the entire episode to consist of displaying a complete set of blueprints that could be used to build a working prototype which would function exactly as the story would later show. It's understandable that people are going to disagree with my opinion seeing as how I posted it in public, but given that I'm not even claiming the show is objectively terrible, let alone putting anyone down for liking it, there really shouldn't be any need to stuff so much straw up my rear end in the process.

The example you provided does not accurately reflect what troubled me. A better one would be a story where humans are fighting aliens who have traveled from some distant galaxy in order to steal our sun because they need hydrogen. They may be lying about their true motives, or just be very stupid aliens, but without the show dropping some additional hints toward such ends, a preponderance of the evidence would suggest the writers just needed an excuse for a battle between humans and aliens and didn't really care what it was. If the goal in that case were to have flashy space battles, I would still be into it even so. However, if it were attempting to be a profound allegory for some serious real-world issue, it would fall flat for me. In my mind, there would be too much of a gap between the questionable degree of earnestness that went into developing such a scenario versus the certain gravity with which it expects me to treat it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Parse Error wrote:
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea from that I must have expected the entire episode to consist of displaying a complete set of blueprints that could be used to build a working prototype which would function exactly as the story would later show.
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let alone putting anyone down for liking it, there really shouldn't be any need to stuff so much straw up my rear end in the process.

As Key mentioned, the explanation given in the 1st episode for the short lifespan is "errors mount up until it triggers a cascade reaction failure". Maybe not a plausible explanation, but it's pretty simple. Perhaps they'll explain the lifespan thing in more detail later on or perhaps they won't. I don't think anybody knows at this point. For the record, I also didn't find this first episode as compelling as other people for similar reasons and you're free to dislike or criticize whatever you want. I have no intentions of offending anyone here but I think we're curious to know, what other shows give adequate explanations for their worlds? Since you mentioned Symphogear as an example.
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Parse Error



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:54 pm Reply with quote
CoreSignal wrote:
As Key mentioned, the explanation given in the 1st episode for the short lifespan is "errors mount up until it triggers a cascade reaction failure".

I could be mistaken as my memory is notoriously awful, but I think Key might be embellishing the actual script somewhat. I do not recall anything so detailed, and skimming the subtitles I've only noticed the following:
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A Giftia's lifespan is only 81,920 hours. That's approximately nine years and four months. Once their shelf life expires, Giftias' personalities and memories disintegrate.

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Don't judge by appearances. Discrepancies in his memory must have developed already. If we'd left him like that, his personality would've vanished in another twelve hours or so.

I could have easily overlooked something going through them right now, but then again it also wouldn't have irked me if things had even gone that far, and a text search doesn't show any signs of such phrases as "cascade reaction failure" either. Throwing out some technobabble as a handwave is all Science Fiction is minimally obligated to do, so if it had been there, that alone would have changed my opinion of the show. Perhaps it was, in the Japanese audio, but all I can go by is the dialogue in the subtitles.

CoreSignal wrote:
what other shows give adequate explanations for their worlds?

Well, two of my favorite premieres so far this season were Show By Rock!! and Punch Line, which is why it surprises me that I managed to give off the impression of having such exacting standards.
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Blaggaflagga



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:46 pm Reply with quote
I wasn't really moved by the ending. I guess I'm alone on this, but I can't give a damn about characters I barely know. They should've spent more time with the old lady and the girl instead of just the last 5 minutes.

I'm definitely watching more though, it has potential.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:48 pm Reply with quote
Parse Error wrote:
I could be mistaken as my memory is notoriously awful, but I think Key might be embellishing the actual script somewhat. I do not recall anything so detailed

Honestly, I don't remember the exact lines either, but based on those quotes I don't see much in the way of explanation. But again, maybe we'll find out later.

Parse Error wrote:
Well, two of my favorite premieres so far this season were Show By Rock!! and Punch Line, which is why it surprises me that I managed to give off the impression of having such exacting standards.

Fair enough. I'm currently watching the tv version of GITS Arise and GITS occasionally has the opposite problem of this show, it sometimes explains too much.
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FenixFiesta



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I wasn't really moved by the ending. I guess I'm alone on this, but I can't give a damn about characters I barely know. They should've spent more time with the old lady and the girl instead of just the last 5 minutes.

Except the scene is received by the audience PERFECTLY because the viewership is supposed to be reacting to the situation from Tsukasa's POV, it isn't supposed to be "the biggest emotional moment" in series as the audience is given an outsiders limited perspective on what clearly is the end of an almost decade long relationship.

But what the viewership is supposed to get out of it is understanding that Tsukasa realizes the relationship between Giftia and owner isn't the relationship as say someone owning a Roomba.

The job Tsukasa has been given is pretty much the task of effectively the Grim Reaper, so open animosity is to be expected in some cases.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:16 am Reply with quote
Raftina wrote:
Of course there is. The method has been raised numerous times in this topic, which you obviously did not read.


The only theory I saw that it is physical limitation of data carriers (like SSDs have currently). However, there is no explanation would they could not be copied or replaced.

Raftina wrote:
Assuming, of course, that these robots actually develop--as opposed to being created as is. The latter is the default assumption when a story deals with robots.


Thanks (also to Dusky Predator); if those robots fake eating, if they are not cybors in that sense, then they do not grow and it explains the little girl retrieval case.


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I think you need to calm down a bit MaxSouth. You're getting way too worked up over a FICTIONAL show. You are entitled to your opinions but you need to dial back the soapboxing and aggressive attitude a bit please. Thank you.


Not sure what you mean because I am aggressive towards concepts/setting of the story, not other members. There is no issue; everyone can love the concept/story or hate it as much as they wish. And I did not wrote anything along the lines like "this is the worst thing ever! you should buy HDDs with original master files of the show from the studio and burn it!" -- now *that* would be overboard, but just being merciless to the concept should be fine. Besides, as Key wrote, I am one of those folks who always complain about such thing, so just bear with me. There has to be someone nagging and nitpicking (though I try to be accurate in that), and this is me. Smile

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Firstly, there are some good ideas of why they might break down, and it is not just the hardware, but the programing


Even if there are issues with programming (though I highly doubt it; I am a programmer myself with decades of years of experience with use of couple of dozens programming languages), it still does not explain why robot's memory has to disintegrate/disappear. Alas, this concept is so thinly "reasoned" that to even call it "stretching" will be too lenient.

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And yes, Key is right. I am not the type of person who can let it go and switch off "everything has to be logical as much as possible" thing. Thus the number of shows I have nothing to say against can take one or two hands (of about five hundred and fifty shows I have watched).

Those who, unlike me, can "calm down" and "take it easy" should not delve too much in my complaints since those are not average complaints that people make. I am highly cynical and sarcastic viewer, I am among the "evil" reviewers camp. So my critiques should not bother majority of people -- and it is good thing for them since they can enjoy anime better.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:51 pm Reply with quote
Episode 2:

Good episode again. spoiler[I like how Tsukasa is building relationship connections with the others such as Isla, Kazuki (drunk!), and Michiru. Now I wonder if he will find out more about Isla's time span though as revealed at the end of the episode. 2000 hours....yikes. This gave me a bit of Chobits vibe.]

As for the comedy, it still remains fresh imo and this episode was more lighthearted rather than emotional.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Definitely perhaps the most solid anime I've seen this season all around. spoiler[As for 2000.... That's 83 1/3 days or roughly 12 weeks... meaning about one regular season. What a coincidence! ... not. I also liked the interaction. Already two episodes in and we have the MC getting some good interaction with a variety of his co-workers. Considering how long other shows often take to develop contact with even two or three people, this is definitely a good sign, especially since it is handled well. ]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:38 pm Reply with quote
Episode 2 is surprisingly light, in comparison to the first episode. That training Isla does is pretty weird. I'm not sure how opening underwater vaults is related to Giftia retrieval. I don't know about everyone else but the tidbit at the end about spoiler[Isla's remaining lifespan] did not surprise me at all. I think there were a lot hints that the story would eventually head in that direction.

MaxSouth wrote:
Psycho 101 wrote:
I think you need to calm down a bit MaxSouth. You're getting way too worked up over a FICTIONAL show. You are entitled to your opinions but you need to dial back the soapboxing and aggressive attitude a bit please. Thank you.


Not sure what you mean because I am aggressive towards concepts/setting of the story, not other members. There is no issue; everyone can love the concept/story or hate it as much as they wish. And I did not wrote anything along the lines like "this is the worst thing ever! you should buy HDDs with original master files of the show from the studio and burn it!"

Well, I don't know. Saying stuff like "you can not excuse the nonsense" and "is nothing else other than hidden racism" doesn't leave much room for disagreement.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:23 pm Reply with quote
Unless it's supposed to be signifying something else, it looks like we're stuck with the gotta-pee jokes. :/

Episode 2 was kinda meh for me, until it got to the decommissioning scene. Those are going to be hardest for me. Smile But it also made me realize that Isla is very different from all the other Giftias we've seen so far, in that she's not relentlessly mellow and cheerful. That the ones we've seen have gone out with a gentle smile on their faces contrasts sharply with the fact that I don't recall Isla ever smiling at all, and when not looking serious and focused, she frequently frowns and appears worried. Why is she unique in her display of this type of emotion?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:51 pm Reply with quote
2000 hours of eventual heartache.
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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:00 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Why is she unique in her display of this type of emotion?

I noticed this too and wondered if it was because none of the other Giftas get any continuous screen time. However if there is anything you can count on, Ilsa is going to be different in some way that saves her and this is probably a side-effect/manifestation of that. Maybe the circuit that forces them to be happy face all the time (and Ilsa doesn't have) wears them out.

So why would they have that training facility if training doesn't do any good for Giftas anyway?

Now if I were partnered up with a Gifta and realized that knowing that entity was part of my job, probably the very first thing I would want to know is how long my partner had. Not necessarily for any practical reason either -- just because it would be impossible for a emotionally functioning adult human not to be curious about it. But apparently Tsukasa is not. I find it hard to believe that he hasn't asked or looked into it particularly since he thinks he has fallen in love with her.

One last thing -- personally I am relieved they put a damper on the fan service in this anime. When we got that first drawing of Ilsa I was worried that it would be a feature of this anime and I don't think it would fit.
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