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Kadmos1



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:20 pm Reply with quote
Hopefully, Nymphet wasn't involved.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:36 pm Reply with quote
TsukasaHiiragi wrote:

I agree, I was reading though this and I thought the punishment was WAY too harsh until I read that there was real images and then, I lost my sympathy too.


Even worst case scenerio, he still didn't do anything harmful at least from what we know.

And AnimeAddict2014 you are sure taking things on the extreme side I see. That's not good either.
If he's turned on by 5 years, then yes, something is wrong with him.
But if he's turned on by 13 years, then it's pretty much natural, as long as he doesn't do anything to them. (That is to say, there are countries where 13-14 is the AoC, like Spain, Hungary and such)

Once again, we don't know enough details to judge. One thing is for sure though - you can't just point a shotgun at someone who didn't do any actual harm. That's just a ridiculous and dangerous attitude.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 10:12 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
Hopefully, Nymphet wasn't involved.
Ha, not this time. Though something tells me that cases like this won't make any business more interested in releasing it in North America, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:14 pm Reply with quote
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TarsTarkas wrote:
Have to disagree with this. When it comes to this, this is what you teach them to beware.

1. Beware of your relatives.
2. Beware of the friends that your parents and siblings bring home.
3. Then beware of strangers.

This is the order of importance.


i guess it's up to each family

if you have to worry around your relatives--- then maybe it's time to cut ties Wink

as for friends of parents and siblings? why would they be hanging around the kids? that's a red flag by itself..

so i would worry about strangers

common tactics-- luring kids with treats or pets , etc..


The order of importance is there, because a child who is molested is usually by somebody that they know rather than somebody they do not. The myth is that it's usually a stranger.

As far as friends of parents and siblings - If Steve (who has a 12 year old daughter) regularly invites co-worker Bob over for beer while watching sports, Bob will probably be introduced, and may even become a family friend.

Or Timmy who is 9, has an older brother Rob who is 13. Rob's friend Pete is also 13. Although they are all minors and all children, it's still possible for Pete to molest Timmy. There is no red flag that they all spend time together - and unlikely that would ever occur - but it's still more statistically likely for Pete to be the molester instead of a stranger.


Removed some overquoting. --willag
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:21 pm Reply with quote
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According to CBC News, "most of the 20 images were anime, although a few appear to be of real girls between five and 13 years old."
Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote:

So, which was it? Were there any actual girls involved, or were there not any actual girls involved? "Appear to be" doesn't make the matter definite, and yes, it does matter.


It was never contested in court, so anything more than "appears to be" would be bad reporting.

You can't prove they are in that age range unless you identify them. The testimony of some sort of expert might be acceptable.

Likewise, whether or not they were real people, or photo-realistic portrayals would have required expert testimonial, or the identification of the subjects.

The prosecutors did not have to do any of this, because it made no legal difference (it makes a huge ethical/freedom of speech difference). They had more than enough to press charges.

Since the charges weren't contested, the court, and therefore the journalists, never received proof or heard expert testimonial on the matter.
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Madoka...AYUKAWA!



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:21 pm Reply with quote
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There's no need to ruin someone's life just for possessing hentai.


Indeed, and depending the circumstances (first time offender for example) for a few pics, even if real, no need to ruin a persons life either, any further at least, its pretty much ruined as it is, chances are he just got them by mere chance or out of curiosity, a fine should be fine for this case if it was mostly hentai and few real pics.

What bad blood that person that ratted him over some pics if most hentai, he should have warned him and kept and eye on him not report to authorities.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:28 pm Reply with quote
Sunny milk wrote:

But if he's turned on by 13 years, then it's pretty much natural, as long as he doesn't do anything to them.
A lot of people would say that it is rather unnatural to be sexually attracted to a 13 year old.

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(That is to say, there are countries where 13-14 is the AoC, like Spain, Hungary and such)
14 is the age on consent (with restrictions) in Canada.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:35 pm Reply with quote
Tempest wrote:
A lot of people would say that it is rather unnatural to be sexually attracted to a 13 year old.


It's no surprise, but I didn't talk about what a lot of people would say, but whether it's natural or not, and it is.

Also I agree with Madoka...YUKAWA! regarding he should have done something other than reporting to the authorities right away, but that's just not happening. Pedophobia knows no restraint.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 12:09 am Reply with quote
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first thing i thought is why didn't he hide his porn better? lol

like most people here im of the idea that as long as no 'real' images are involved then its definitely an overreaction. (although even if real images are involved priority should be give to rehabilitation and not punishment)

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not to go looking because you never know what you may find that will get you in trouble


ha... ha .... ha...
if that we true id be like what hitler level wanted? I have an almost insatiable curiosity hell even if i know im not going to like what im looking for id look for it anyway given the right circumstances("I bet youve never seen gay simpson porn!" random person. Me "Oh yeah I bet I will!" Later that night "Oh God my eyes! It burns! Why Homer! WHY! and with Flanders! Noooo!!" end scenario) Seems like i could easily be charged with some crime if im unlucky.

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A lot of people would say that it is rather unnatural to be sexually attracted to a 13 year old.

Ironically i believe its the opposite, it is 'natural' to be sexually attracted to a 13 year old because at that age that age theyed be starting to show signs of sexual maturity ie puberity. Its socially unacceptable but from a purely physical point of view it makes sense


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 12:11 am Reply with quote
Tempest wrote:
Since the charges weren't contested, the court, and therefore the journalists, never received proof or heard expert testimonial on the matter.

So since they were never admitted (or contested) as "statements of fact" (or whatever the legal term for it is), the Prosecution never had to definitively establish whether some of the images were merely photo-realistic depictions as opposed to photos of actual girls...

Okay, I guess that makes sense. Legally speaking, it was probably the safer course to take, as illustrated by the sentence handed down.

But, as you said, it *does* make a difference in regards to ethics/freedom. Ah, well. It's done, so now we'll probably never know for sure.

I suppose, though, that I should take back my jibe about it being "shoddy reporting": you *shouldn't* report something that hasn't been definitely established (at least, not without a lot of qualifiers), so they were doing their job properly. I still can't help feeling irked, though, but that's not the fault of the news agencies.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 12:29 am Reply with quote
AnimeAddict2014 wrote:
often time it will start with something

then it will escalate to something worst


If that were the case, there would be prisons full of people who enjoy porn and/or porn would be illegal. Most people recognize fantasy as being just that and don't act upon it. Which also explains another reason why porn is popular.

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some of these freaks are already registered sex offenders...


And you do realize, at least in the U.S., it is not uncommon for both men and women to be registered as sex offenders despite being 18 at the time and having consensual sex with their 16 or 17 year old boyfriend or girlfriend, right? Not all registered sexual offenders are "freaks", just unfortunate victims of a policy where being 18 means you're an adult, and being a consenting 17 year old days shy of your 18th birthday still means you're a minor.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:08 am Reply with quote
Sunny milk wrote:
Pedophobia knows no restraint.


Except this is a 70-year-old man with child pornography.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:16 am Reply with quote
Sunny milk wrote:


Even worst case scenerio, he still didn't do anything harmful at least from what we know.



If he has real children pornography, he's either abusing kids himself or most likely buying them from someone who does, thus supporting child exploitation and it's quite alarming that some people seem to think this isn't "harming" anyone.

If all of it was hentai or 3D models there really is no victim and he shouldn't even be punsihed, but if he's supporting the child pornography industry he should get much more than just 90 days.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:39 am Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:
Sunny milk wrote:


Even worst case scenerio, he still didn't do anything harmful at least from what we know.



If he has real children pornography, he's either abusing kids himself or most likely buying them from someone who does, thus supporting child exploitation and it's quite alarming that some people seem to think this isn't "harming" anyone.


Or he downloaded a bunch of porn, and some of it contained child pornography. Possessing any kind of porn does not require buying it, or making it by yourself these days. Ever download a set of a bunch of anime wall papers? One of them could contain ecchi or hentai material that people would consider child pornography, and you'd never know it unless you went through each an everyone one of them. The problem grows worse when you're intentionally downloading real pornographic material. Hence the sentence:
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Miller added after the sentencing that the moral of this story is "not to go looking because you never know what you may find that will get you in trouble."


Given the low number of images, that most of the images were anime, and the relatively light sentence, I expect he was nor specifically seeking out this material, it just happened to be included in some gallery he batch downloaded.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:43 am Reply with quote
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Or he downloaded a bunch of porn, and some of it contained child pornography. Possessing any kind of porn does not require buying it, or making it by yourself these days.


Even if you're downloading it for free, someone is paying for that child porn to be made, and even the websites that host such pictures have a way to make money,even if you are not directly paying for it, by downloading it or watching you're creating demand and thus encouraging more of it to be made/ more child exploitation. It's not rocket science.
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