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Dessa



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:20 pm Reply with quote
Part of me can't help but wonder if the whole "marrying Shovel-kun" part was a joke referring back to SeHa Girls, since Ichimichi was in both shows (although she was the one making the jokes last time).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:26 am Reply with quote
Episode 8

Yep, how prepared the school was has been suspicious, and good to see these subtle hints come about. Someone knew this could happen, and the teachers seemed to have some idea something could happen, Megumi herself seemed to have a key for briefing on the situation. Maybe she had it because she was a new teacher, so she was the last to get informed prior to the event. But clearly they were not truly prepared, a bad time of day or something.

For Megumi, she was infected and seemed to haul herself up somewhere to write something to the girls, perhaps there was something they needed to know. I can't remember if the show said how quick infection takes hold, and if she seemed to last longer than supposed maybe there are even some antidote somewhere that she was just too late in taking. They were prepared enough already, would not be too surprising.

For what was said about quarantine, I am going to think maybe "Of The Dead" rules that maybe being in the area has made them already infected that dying might be enough for them to turn. No one might be out to save them, making me wonder if the city was maybe a testing ground for this biological weapon. Why would they know of it?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:36 pm Reply with quote
If you go by how fast the track star died and turned, I doubt Megumi had much time to do anything. And if that one flashback memory is accurate, she had no time whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:24 pm Reply with quote
Of course, it's both realistic and handy to writers that the exact speed of onset is variable based on level of initial exposure, the immune response of the infected person, and dumb luck.
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:49 pm Reply with quote
HelloBucket wrote:
Of course, it's both realistic and handy to writers that the exact speed of onset is variable based on level of initial exposure, the immune response of the infected person, and dumb luck.


That is quite true. But in Megumi's case that all became irrelevant, spoiler[when she became dinner.]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:14 am Reply with quote
I feel like the lighthearted moments are wearing on me. I know what you're all gonna say. "You're viewing this the wrong way/missing the point/finding fault where there is none." All I'm saying is that, while I appreciate heartwarming optimism, I think the comedy of this show is a little... boring and repetitive. The dark, serious parts and uplifting parts that don't involve any comedy work great. It's just the actual comic relief moments, which, lets face it, make up a good deal of the show, aren't up to par with the comedy in... say, your favorite dramedy in anime.

Yuki acting stupid and getting a karate chop is starting to make me roll my eyes. The girls chasing Taroumaru to give him a bath or keep him out of trouble is tiring after a few times. I also think that simply having Yuki go to class and toning down the comedic slapstick and chasing of Taroumaru might've helped the first episode. Looking back, aside from the twist at the end, it was quite a sit.

I just feel I had to get that out there. I like this show a lot, but the comedy is the handicap that keeps me from loving it. I think the strongest episodes so far have been episodes 3 through 6, if it's any consolation. I think the relative slowness of these past few episodes have been making it more apparent that this sort of comedy just isn't for me, and when the series tries to balance elements of comedic lightheartedness with dark themes of optimism shining through the apocalypse, it mixes my opinion.

So, long story short, I find the comedy to be "shrug-worth" leaning towards annoyance. I think I understand how people who love the Sci-fi thriller elements of Steins;Gate but hate the 4chan referencing comedy feel now. This doesn't by any stretch mean that I'm saying the comedy is objectively bad or anything. I just wish that I could receive it in small doses.

That aside, the twist that the government was in on this was great. For once in these stories, we might find out the zombies' origin! That's something that always bothered me about The Walking Dead. They never tell you where the zombies came from or how the thing started. From the looks of it, they might even be able to find a cure, depending on how deep this goes.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:33 pm Reply with quote
Episode 9:

So I thought this episode was going to be very cherry with the pool, swimsuits, water gun fights, etc. All the girls and the dog were having fun in the sun. Then the ending happened.

I think it's obvious who that may be based on the events of the episodes leading up to this point. Still sad though to think about it...
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Cam0



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:33 pm Reply with quote
louis6578 wrote:
I feel like the lighthearted moments are wearing on me.


I agree with what you said and I did mention before that I had similar issues and concerns about this show. Now multiple episodes after (particulary this latest episode) my fears were kind of realized. The kind of "comedy" this show does is not even supposed to be funny. It's supposed to put a smile on your face, make you want to join the happy-go-lucky life the characters are living. Some like that, I just find it sleep inducing. Really School-Live is a mix of a genre I don't like and a genre I do like. That's why I was initially concerned about the direction of the show, but then the show went on a roll for multiple episodes putting more focus on the serious stuff. Now it has kind of settled somewhere in between, mixing the lightheartedness and serious stuff relatively equally.

This latest episode seems like it is the calm before the storm. It was mostly kind of meh though Taroumaru and Miki finally getting along was a nice touch, I guess. But the cliffhanger at the end caught my interest though so I'm really looking forward to next week.


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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:00 pm Reply with quote
Apparently, hardly anyone has survived the zombie apocalypse in this area. If this show was all seriousness, and didn't have the coping mechanisms (happy times) that it does; you may only have a show about just one person eking out a life, a la The Last Man on Earth.

Yes, this show does have the sugar, but I think it is a nice complement to all the depressing stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:39 am Reply with quote
Cam0 wrote:
louis6578 wrote:
I feel like the lighthearted moments are wearing on me.


I agree with what you said and I did mention before that I had similar issues and concerns about this show. Now multiple episodes after (particulary this latest episode) my fears were kind of realized. The kind of "comedy" this show does is not even supposed to be funny. It's supposed to put a smile on your face, make you want to join the happy-go-lucky life the characters are living. Some like that, I just find it sleep inducing. Really School-Live is a mix of a genre I don't like and a genre I do like. That's why I was initially concerned about the direction of the show, but then the show went on a roll for multiple episodes putting more focus on the serious stuff. Now it has kind of settled somewhere in between, mixing the lightheartedness and serious stuff relatively equally.

This latest episode seems like it is the calm before the storm. It was mostly kind of meh though Taroumaru and Miki finally getting along was a nice touch, I guess. But the cliffhanger at the end caught my interest though so I'm really looking forward to next week.


Ugh! Thank god! I was expecting to be chewed out for being a tragedy-porn obsessed jerk or something.

Yeah, I feel like this should be great, but the show is "90% happy happy fun time, 10% zombie horror." I feel like there should be more of a balance. Even when they're having fun, there should be some lingering doubts. Heck, no one's even wondered how their family is doing.

I get that the theme is "Just because the world is crumbling around you doesn't mean you can't have fun" but still, there's a better way you could do it. Shows like One Piece have the perfect balance of this sort of thing. Luffy's crew has childish fun all the time during their downtime, but I never find it boring or draining. You could spend a whole episode on Luffy, Usopp and Chopper playing stupid games with each other and I don't think I'd find it draining. It feels like the show, when it's "lighthearted," is less about showing how the girls cope and more about trying (and for me, failing) to make us laugh.

These scenes where they're having fun should be a few minutes. Maybe half an episode. Three in a row is really pushing it for me. I'm not saying the show has to be as serious as Naoki Urasawa's Monster or anything, but there should be a balance of tone.

After episode one finished, I was sure this show was pulling a "Madoka Magica" and pretending to be moe kyun kyun, but sadly, it wasn't really pretending. I thought I would love the show, but now... I feel like no matter how good the plot gets, I'll never truly love this anime because 70% of the show is mindless candy of girls playing around. The anime may end up being 12 or 24 episodes long, but I get the feeling we'll only have about eight episodes worth of actual content.

Dammit, I feel like I'm ranting too much. I know there are people out there who love this show for the comedy, or feel like I need to "lighten up," but come on! Avatar: TLA could balance out the desperation with seriousness. Gravity Falls too. The show is at its best when it's playing things for drama, so stop playing around and give us some suspense. I don't need zombies killing them, but maybe have Miki grow tired of playing along and question their methods, have a search for Kei, have Miki worry about her friend more openly, make the stress of pretending Megu-nee is still alive get to one of the girls! It doesn't need to be violent, but it needs to be something of substance.

I stated my mind. Tear me a new one, School Live fans. I know I did wrong for not "getting" this anime for its message, but come on! A serious show can have some comedy, but you need to find a good balance instead of wasting the audience's time. Some of these scenes are good for character building, but... we're talking two minutes of content for every 20 minute episode now. The balloon messages, giving Taroumaru a damned bath, and the swimming episode. Those three things could have easily been compressed into one fully functioning breather episode and I wouldn't have minded so much.

TL:DR - The show is at its best when its serious. Maybe I wouldn't mind if the comedy wasn't generic and predictable. I know that its part of the premise that they live at school, but if the premise is about how they ignore the apocalypse, then that's something that the audience wants to be betrayed. If everything is going too smoothly for our protagonists, there's nothing to really keep me watching. Imagine Death Note without L, better yet, imagine a new addition in the Fate/Stay Night franchise where the main character summons their servant in France and decides not to go to Japan because they can sit around and play board games all day. This is not engaging at all. Guys, did you only plan for 20 episodes but they gave you a 24 episode long run? Are you trying to fill in extra space?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:34 am Reply with quote
To me this show is about zombie in the same sense that K-on is about music. It's there and once in awhile they talk about it and there's probably gonna be a big finale that'll heavily feature it. But the meat of the show is just cute girl doing nothing.

Although I feel like the humor and character are a bit bellow K-on. It's still decent and watchable, but that's kinda it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:44 pm Reply with quote
meiam wrote:
To me this show is about zombie in the same sense that K-on is about music. It's there and once in awhile they talk about it and there's probably gonna be a big finale that'll heavily feature it. But the meat of the show is just cute girl doing nothing.

Although I feel like the humor and character are a bit bellow K-on. It's still decent and watchable, but that's kinda it.


You just stated my huge post in a few words. I wish I had your gift of putting things simply.
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:07 am Reply with quote
It is not like fighting zombies is quite the most important part of living in a zombie apocalypse. Maybe in an action piece, or situations leading to where characters will die because if zombies were strong enough to spread so wide, then there is a lot of risk. It is kind of like Walking Dead (I just bought season 5), all they want is to find somewhere safe, one season is even filled with being largely safe. These have found something safe, but you are looking at the show fairly shallowly if you think that this show is really just a cute girls doing cute things.

Even when a zombie is not appearing on screen it is pretty much dictating everything they do. Yuki's delusions are not impactful in what her actions are, alone they look like a cliché moe series, but its strength is what it means for the actions of the other 3. Kurumi is not just some energetic easy going sporty girl, her actions of doing so are largely a distraction. Yuuri seems unflappable as with last episode we see how it wears on her, how her kindness comes through, and her introspective on it. And Miki, she probably has the hardest time, her cautious views and small victories are more than just some kind of awkward. For a slice of life show, in what kind of life would many of their parts of lives, would you experience what they do. A runaway animal in a school, a "test of courage" to collect things from a store, an abandoned mall trip, a sports meet inside school halls, the writing of letters, and swimming in a rooftop pond?

The show has a heap of subtle things hidden throughout if you are able to pick them up, and what they mean, even small pieces of dialogue that might have more to it. I replayed the ending of this episode a few times, the distorted music was bugging me about something. Figured out what it was, it is the tune from the ED, especially reminiscent of how it ends with the words "sweet dreams". Interesting note, in this week's ED when everyone is supposed to be walking, it is only Taromaru and....... wtf Kurumi is missing, when Yuki wakes up not only is Taromaru not there, but Kurumi who has him on her lap. Something bad is about to happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:29 am Reply with quote
For the amusement of everyone, a remarkably well-done live action fan take on the OP.
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Dessa



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:45 am Reply with quote
That makes me nostalgic for the old CCS Catch You Catch Me live action remake.
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