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Animelover12313
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That's kinda sad for your first comment in a thread man. Better go read the article to actually know what the writer has written about the series before jumping to conclusion. That title was just a hook line for people to read. |
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KarmaRocketX
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Good lord. If this is how you review a show you like, I wouldn't want to see how you write about something you don't.
The only real disaster I see here is this review. This is like, that kind of reviewer who is trying way too hard and go way too far out of his way to be nonsensically quirky, intentionally obtuse, and painfully attention-seeking in such a hipstery way that he provides critical analysis like e.e cummings writes poetry. The kind of person who stands back and pats himself on the back for writing up a review like some kind of intentionally puzzling, modern art painting and waiting to see how many people deconstruct the formless and contradictory squares and triangles placed randomly about as some kind of metaphor for the human condition when it's just a bunch of randomly placed squares and triangles. I mean, the hell even IS this? I can do the same thing and rave on about the same kind of platitudes on something base and artless like Dragon Ball Z of all things and come up with the same level of pseudo-intellectual blitherings. "Dragon Ball Z is the manifestation of the animal nature of us all. Is the inner Oozaru of our rage our ally or our enemy? Who does the fighter seek to fight? Does he fight himself as he fights his foes? Does the man collect the balls, or do the balls collect the man? Is Death the end, or only the cycle of life? Freiza claims Namek will explode in 5 minutes, but several episodes pass in 5 minutes. It is a beautiful commentary on the nature of time itself. How the nature of every fleeting moment is it's own eternity. And Here we have Yamcha, the portrait of the eternal everyman, the crying clown, not unlike the subject of the Italian opera, Pagliacci. Is the greatest failure the true unsung hero? It makes you think, does it not? Dragon Ball Z is the human condition. It is everything and it is nothing." That level of complete and utter drivel that borders on self-parody was easy enough to come up with in 10 minutes, and much like this review, was just as pretentious, aside from the fact that my review actually didn't seek to take itself seriously on an Anime news website. Is this the kind of thing that passes for actual critique and a real website review now? The kind of self-deluded ramblings one would expect from a stoner high on marijuana trying to be meaningful and deep, yet seriously conclude a legitimate attempt at a review with "The show is a terrible mess. It's great go watch it".? While everything above that was really rambling, incoherent, nonsense that made not one definitive point, in the wake of just trying way too hard to be so contradictory, that nothing is said at all, aside from the reviewer equivalent of telling me that "Up Is Down, and Down Is Up" and "There Is No Spoon"? I can almost hear the bongo playing and see the black rimmed lenseless glasses and black beret in the background, the whole way through this farce. Seriously if this review is just a somewhat clever trolling that I just fell for, then ok, haha joke is on me I guess, you sure got me. But if this was actually an attempt at a legitimate review... what even the hell did I just read? |
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Shaterri
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Of course it is! This has always been a divisive show, and I've certainly never held it against anyone for not liking it. Not being able to see what anyone could see in it, not being able to see any positive aspects whatsoever, might be a different matter - but as much as I might disagree with you about the show's merits, you're 100% not wrong about it. |
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H. Guderian
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I find myself agreeing, though i wouldn't call it a disaster.
As for the unfavorable elements, I've begun to view that as a form of shitposting - a barrier-to-entry in an artistic sense to keep sensitive people out of the work, so those who wish to discuss everything including the unpleasantries, can do so without some tumblr type sighing every time they're asked about the show. If you put in something icky a whole ton of people who wouldn't have bought the show anyways will not even watch it. Thusly the fans can gather around and enjoy the ride. The toothbrush scene makes one of my friends MAD and he's never returned to the show at all. I recall the original text spent 1-2 pages of the opening text describing a panty-shot. There's a lot that can be written about how this show does just about everything. it breaks a ton of molds while adhering strictly to them. It's a contradiction, and people love talking about. |
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jr240483
Posts: 4378 Location: New York City,New York,USA |
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OH please! there is no pedo stuff in the series. the only thing other than the basic harem fanservice is the brother/sister complex which at times have been the MO for current harem series (though only with step siblings like in Oreimo or with cousins like in SAO:Fairy Dance Arc and not with blood related siblings) and compared to the fanservice from other harem series like DxD , IS , and Index, monogotari is rather tame. so i wouldnt dismiss the series if i was you. you should try a weekend rental. you might like it. as for me, i'll skip it for a while longer in the hopes that Aniplex might consider giving the series an english dub. |
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LauraOrganaSolo
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I came here to see people say I ONLY SKIMMED THE ARTICLE AND I'M MAD U TALKED SHIT BOUT MUH WAIFUS SHOW HOW DARE YOU and I wasn't disappointed, although there was less than I thought.
Thank you Nick Creamer for finally putting pen to paper on all the stuff I feel about this show in such an enlightening way. I'm in the love-hate camp. It's brilliant and cringe-inspiring at the same time.
This.
A child simulating fellatio doesn't quantify as "pedo stuff?" Are you sure about that? There is an entire episode of little girl fanservice. I mean it's not literal pedophilia but it does blatantly eroticize an elementary school student. Also "But it has less fanservice than X, Y, and Z" doesn't make the show contain less fanservice. It's a harem show, stop lying to yourself. A brilliant harem show, but a harem show full of T&A. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Click bait title is click bait.
I'll agree that Monogatari has a very weird presentation and suffers from a high barrier of entry, but it's no disaster. It is exactly what it wants to be, and if the audience cannot accept it for what it is there's always the option to stop watching it. Last edited by dtm42 on Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:04 am; edited 1 time in total |
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cannonfodder4000
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What a fantastically written analysis. I really appreciate the lack of spoilers, too.
Props to the dude that wrote this, it's making me wanna rewatch the first season and soak in the symbolism I didn't catch. |
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shamisen the great
Posts: 658 Location: Oregon, USA |
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I'm not very far into the franchise yet ( I'm halfway through the Karen Bee arc in Nisemonogatari). So far I've loved it, but in all fairness I'm a bit of a Shaft fanboy. I will admit that it can be exhausting at times just from the barrage of dialogue. I find myself taking breaks and watching lighter stuff between arcs.
Also, despite what was said in previous posts there is definitely some scenes that I would qualify as pedophile-ish. It didn't bother me at all, but it might be a barrier if you don't like loli's. |
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12skippy21
Posts: 785 Location: York, England |
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Good review, it could have easily been longer than it was. Even the fanservice is quirky. Leaving aside the stuff with Snail (I never quite got the reasons behind including it) the fanservice is lot more erotic than your usual fare. The stuff with his sisters almost borders on parody, like the tooth brushing scene from Nise. At the same time fanservice with Crab and Cat are some of the most erotic in anime by my preference, it helps that they are interesting characters.
The main issue I think is that, to add to the mess, this is not a show they have took their time on, nearly everything has been adapted over a few years, it takes 'strike while the iron is hot' logic very literally. Wonder what Shafts main franchise is going to be after they finish this. |
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AnimeAddict2014
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i saw season one of this series. I didn't know they made more seasons after the first one
i've never saw other anime series with so much talking (fast as well) before. I thought it was an action series from the OP (season 1) |
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jymmy
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Yeah, I've often come away from reviews or articles thinking the emphasis was too much on form rather than content. I wouldn't go as far as KarmaRocketX did earlier, but I definitely feel the construction, pithy paradoxes and clickbait-y headings are to the detriment of the content. |
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danpmss
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How about you try to point out WHAT he wrote wrong, instead of ranting on HOW he wrote it? lol If you can do that, I can actually see what is your point. THIS is what I call flat criticism :v |
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CrownKlown
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I personally would gone more with a word like Chaotic. Disaster implies a negative connotations, there is never a good disaster.
But I think what he was trying to convey, and using a more neutral term, is that the show is chaotic, its all over the place, its many different things. |
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relyat08
Posts: 4125 Location: Northern Virginia |
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Well, it's not a review... so, that takes care of your problem with that. |
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