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Without reading your clickbait article first, I'll respond to the title's question: no.

Article was shorter than I thought, I was expecting some long winded diatribe about some stupid opinion, but... No, Comiket is obviously still in full swing when you have hundreds of thousands in Japan alone, and then millions more around the world who look forward to it, TWICE A YEAR. Sure most artists can sell their works digitally online, but there's something nice about physically buying a product that can be become rare and cherished. Like Lawrence Shindo's Bestiary hardcover anthology.

Also, digital distribution unless it's through Patreon or something, results in a loss of profit for artists because places like DLsite have to take their cut for what could be an infinite supply. Sure with physical copies there's the expense of printing, shipping, and applying for Comiket, but those books are a limited commodity and they take the full earnings from each sold.

Further, this is only attacking Comiket but forgets that there's dozens of other doujinshi events throughout the year, like Comic1, Sunshine Creation, Reitaisai for Touhou, and now some for KanColle as well.

JacobYBM wrote:

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The article notes how Comiket has steadily become more about pornography and adult-oriented merchandise like hug pillows, to the extent that it's referred to overseas as "the Hentai Festival."

I don't really see a defense for why this is a bad thing. Fan-oriented porn is no worse than other fan-oriented art.

It is when it concerns the depictions of under age characters.

Cptn_Taylor wrote:

JacobYBM wrote:

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The article notes how Comiket has steadily become more about pornography and adult-oriented merchandise like hug pillows, to the extent that it's referred to overseas as "the Hentai Festival."

I don't really see a defense for why this is a bad thing. Fan-oriented porn is no worse than other fan-oriented art.

It is when it concerns the depictions of under age characters.

Fiction is fiction.

Rederoin wrote:

Cptn_Taylor wrote:

JacobYBM wrote:

Quote:

The article notes how Comiket has steadily become more about pornography and adult-oriented merchandise like hug pillows, to the extent that it's referred to overseas as "the Hentai Festival."

I don't really see a defense for why this is a bad thing. Fan-oriented porn is no worse than other fan-oriented art.

It is when it concerns the depictions of under age characters.

Fiction is fiction.

Lets not start this again.

probably not yet. Its still a great place for creators to see and meet the people who purchase/consume their work as well as getting exposure.

Plus, comiket has great a trance/progressive house and the occasional disco music scene

@Polycell
I'm not sure I follow. The investors in anime are in most cases Japanese companies. Up to this point all they had to do was complain. Why would they change their stance due to just a change in law.

For that matter the US is supposed to be pushing this. I've seen that stupid FBI notice at the beginning of every disk and tape. I have yet to hear of any attempt to enforce that to the letter of the law. Are you saying that the US would be forced to hire the additional staff to enforce all copyright to the letter? Arrest anime club staff for showing a DVD to the club? Track down all the fan subs on the internet. Review all of You Tube? Just policing the internet would take all of the staff and technical ability of the existing NSA.

I suspect that enforcement will continue to be selective in most countries.

Lemonchest wrote:

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Lets not start this again.

Not starting anything.

Polycell wrote:

If the TPP goes through(which is looking unlikely after the Maui Meltdown), then Japan would be forced to change its laws by the deal and wouldn't be allowed to get away with a lack of enforcement given the ability of investors to sue member states.

And that's completely unrelated to "Is Comiket Pointless?". It's "we're going to ruin a good thing because we're greedy corporate pricks." It's legal nonsense that helps no one getting in the way of people having fun, being creative, and sometimes dirty.

That's a question by someone who had no notion of the value of live human interaction, shared experience, and inundating oneself in a crowd of similar people when you're normally considered an outsider. In other words, it's ignorant of who anime fans are.

Well it comiket outlive it usefulness so would have E3 and Comic-con mite be useless as well

And where else would one get a 23 foot long body pillow

I don't think most of the people replying so far have actually understood the point of the article and are just dismissing the suggestion out-of-hand because of the event's popularity. What the author is trying to point out is that Comiket's meaning/purpose/identity has changed in recent years. It isn't about finding artists and propelling them into the mainstream manga/anime careers anymore, or at least not in the way that it used to. In that regard, the identity that Comiket used to have is no longer there; the event has outlived the original purpose of its existence.

Now obviously Comiket is still here; it has a new identity, and perhaps is trying to find a way for this identity to reach the same levels of "usefulness" that it used to have. But that in no way negates what the author is trying to say.

Alan45 wrote:

@Polycell
I'm not sure I follow. The investors in anime are in most cases Japanese companies. Up to this point all they had to do was complain. Why would they change their stance due to just a change in law.

The change in the law would make it significantly easier for the corporations to go after people. For example, it'd basically be the difference between Kodansha having to ask Ken Akamatsu for permission for each and every Negima fan work they wanted to go after; and Kodansha being able to tell their legal department to go to town on any infringing uses of Negima copyrights, and there not being a thing Akamatsu could do to stop them.

And it's pretty much guaranteed that corporate would be much more interested in getting stuff taken down than an individual creator.

Don't think the internet will do too much damage to Comiket. Sure, it may be more convenient to have things online, but nothing beats actually being able to meet and talk to your favorite groups and artists face-to-face.

Kougeru wrote:

Drawn art on the other hand, is the same no matter where you view it. Especially since most artists now days are using digital means anyway. This is why when I go to cons, the only art I'll even pay attention is custom-drawn.

This isn't true at all, if it were then no one would go to art museums. Digital files are also pretty low res and i'ts nice to see the art up close, if that were not the case no one would buy a poster or wall scroll ever. Things like metallic paper, embossed, and foil stamping can never be replicated digitally.

Just because you don't value the interaction between the artist and fan doesn't mean others feel the same way. One of the best parts of these cons is meeting the artist, finding new artists and so on. This goes for both sides, artist can find artist to interact with, fans can find new or old artist they admire.

As an artist I feel like going to the con to experience it helps sooth the pain of how much money you spent and will never make back (Unless you're like one of the top 5%). It definitely makes everything feel worth it even if you stay in the red.

Kougeru wrote:

Mapmerry wrote:

People go to music festival yet you can listen to the music on the internet too.

Every time I read posts like this I can only read it as, Has human interaction outlived its usefulness?

As someone who goes to anime conventions even though I watch the latest stuff online, no, no it hasn't.

I just had to reply to this post because that's a HORRIBLE comparison.

Live music is vastly different than recorded music. Not only because of the audience's energy, but the dynamics of it all make it feel so much more...alive. :\.

Drawn art on the other hand, is the same no matter where you view it. Especially since most artists now days are using digital means anyway. This is why when I go to cons, the only art I'll even pay attention is custom-drawn.

I feel the comparison is appropriate. Shopping for comics with your friends is vastly different than shopping for comics by yourself or online. Not jsut fan drawn comics, but games and cosplay! Comiket is an event!

Meeting your favorite artist in person beats a few tweets in their direction online.

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