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americananimotk
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"Discovering romantic relations damages the image of idols. To gain the support of male fans, clauses banning romantic relations are necessary." - Akitomo Kojima
my response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0WCMXNZYR8 |
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Hoppy800
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I agree, and an idol in a healthy romantic relationship whither it being dating or marriage could be great for their image and also make them into a bit of a role model for teenagers and kids. |
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Foxaika
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I mean...isn't it true though? This article links examples of what happens when that image is tarnished, and there are surely more examples than just those. It's just the way things are it seems. |
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TarsTarkas
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First you have to find a profitable market looking for that sort of thing. |
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Ali07
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If you were talking with those at Marvel Comics, they'd tell you that no one is really interested in characters (end of the day, that's what an idol seems like to me) that are married/in long-term committed relationships. It's stereotypical of many works of fiction, and (sadly) seems fitting for idol otaku..."the only interesting part is the chase". |
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leafy sea dragon
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It sounds like the judge is a fan of idol singers. It's one thing to indicate that she breached her contract, but it's another to say that dating men damages the images of idols. That's something a fan would say.
I'm really not sure where the problem is. Teenagers go on dates all the time. Celebrity teenagers in the United States are no different. No one makes a big stink over it all.
Unfortunately, there are parents who have such disregard for their children's freedom and happiness. Michael Jackson's father, for one.
It'd be interesting to see her challenge these guys in court under that, though I think her confidence has been shaken tremendously as a judge ruled against her. Such a case could also destroy the idol business from the inside. We, looking from afar, would probably welcome that, but she'd make a lot of enemies in her own country.
noun an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship. • a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered. I don't see what's relevant about that and dating.
Fame too. Something you don't hear much about Asian parents (and rarely brought up in Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother) is that, particularly among mothers, they frequently brag to other parents about their children's accomplishments. I saw it growing up all the time and continue to see it now. There was one mother at my middle school who not only bragged about her son, but pressured other parents into admitting inferiority. ("My son does X. Does your child do X?" She was hated by other parents, but that only drove her to yell harder.) Such an attitude could drive particularly competitive-minded parents into throwing their kids into things for the prestige and so they can brag back. Granted, not all Asian parents do this, and there are lots of non-Asian parents who like to show off their superchildren, but I'd say there's a significant chance this poor girl got thrust into an idol system because her parents wanted to be associated with someone famous. Heck, when I was very young, my father threw me into some of these things too. I was too little to understand why he'd whisk me from piano lessons at 5 years old to swimming lessons to spelling competitions at his friends' restaurants to poetry contests, knowing he'd spend a bunch of money but not gain a penny out of it. In hindsight, I realize he did it to boast to others about how advanced and multitalented I was. Never anything as big as an idol program, of course (he'd always read the contracts and had pretty strong opinions on if an organization, company, or business was crooked, hence why he hated it every time my schools would force us into World's Finest chocolate bar fundraisers).
Those rules are easily contested in court and shouldn't be taken seriously anyway. Amy's Baking Company had such a rule in its contract for any new hires (that they were not allowed to work in any restaurant in Scottsdale, AZ once they leave employment at Amy's Baking Company); people who were fired from Amy's routinely just ignored that rule, whose numbers are in the hundreds. Or is it on a case-by-case basis? The one for Amy's was pretty sweeping and general.
I do realize that, and I would like to see the idol industry quickly fold.
That paragraph made me think of that trend where young people pour oil onto themselves, then light themselves on fire. I don't think any of them thought much about the negative side of things..or they were peer-pressured to doing something brave. They just want their 30 seconds of YouTube fame and will recklessly endanger their lives to do it.
Well, partying doesn't necessarily mean bad grades and expulsion. A student can do a lot of partying but still pass and graduate.
The managers, promotors, executives, and such WANT to have raving psychopaths for their audiences? That sounds dangerous. |
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Mohawk52
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I don't know how often this situation has happened in the idol business, but I'm guessing she's now the equivalant of having her head on a stake on a bridge for all the other girls under a contract to see of what will happen should they let their hormones get the better of them.
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Touma
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Those are the wrong kinds of idols for this discussion. This article about idol anime by Nick Creamer explains the difference fairly well, I think. That article also gives a much more positive view of idol culture. Since most of what I know, or think that I know, about idols comes from what I read here it is refreshing to get a different perspective. |
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enurtsol
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Some interesting comments by other people:
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Hoppy800
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Like I've said before those clauses are not legal and are constituting human rights violations, it's time to put these managers and other members of upper tier of these agencies on trial (with judges and lawyer not tied to the industry in any way and with favors/bribes strictly forbidden) and give them the maximum sentence upon conviction and after that make the clauses highly punishable by Japanese law.
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TarsTarkas
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I was going to say that the Japanese judge disagrees with you, but I realize that wouldn't matter to you since you already have your favor/bribery arguments ready. But, those clauses are legal and they don't violate human rights. These human rights accusations are an insult to 'real' human rights violations. These clauses are used all over the world, and in our country. Saying this is a human rights violation is akin to a teenage boy crying foul when his parents won't buy him an iPhone. The judge understood exactly what an idol is and what is considered important to the industry and its actual audience. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he is receiving favors or bribes. Also if you are going on a criminal justice rampage, then you should start with our country first and cleanse it of all evil, before eyeing others. After all, "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." |
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Touma
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I completely agree with that. Unfortunately it happens quite often in the forums that people trivialize serious problems by making these comparisons. |
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Hoppy800
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Actually the favor/bribery stipulation does not have anything to do with the judge in this case, he just wasn't impartial which resulted in the injustice we see here where an idol who's under 20 much less 18 got fined over $5000, it's meant for when the managers and other higher ups are sent to trial because I know that they will bribe the judge presiding over their cases for lesser charges or not guilty instead of facing justice for their tyranny like an adult. Yes, they are illegal and do violate human rights although I do agree they are used elsewhere and also need to banned in those places as well (including the US) and managers and such to be tried, convicted, and sentenced if necessary. |
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soul.assassin
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 Given some of the comments here, predictably a case of why one culture sees itself as morally-superior over another.
A contract is still a contract, and in that country, anyone who signs the dotted line knows that he or she is entering an agreement where they have read the rules of the game. If their personality goes against the contract, or actively chafe at it by complaining loudly why he or she can't date, they effectively void it. If they want a romantic relationship while being an entertainer in that vein, they should find another talent agency who allows such relationships, or go indie. Even then, in Japan, reputation is everything. Onto the opposite end of the spectrum, I roll my eyes whenever an entertainment personality -- paid a thousand times a month more than an average idol would get in a year or even a decade -- in the West shows off his or her blingy possessions on social media, or run into trouble with the law for being drunk and disorderly or causing a public disturbance. Or for that matter, people doing stupid things on Youtube for the sake of attention-farming and sick entertainment. |
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omiya
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Article contrasting this story with what happens with Johnny's idols (but appears to miss the sexism of more acceptance of a male idol marrying a "civilian" than a female idol marrying marrying a "civilian"):
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/09/26/national/media-national/working-politics-idol-marriage/ |
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