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NEWS: Konami Denies Report of Hideo Kojima Leaving Company


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falcon.punch



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:23 am Reply with quote
I don't believe in Konami anymore :^)
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Wait you're just going to take a desk job, until MGS:VI or VII flops hards and they call you back up to the majors. I was already to watch the Kickstarter campaign that asks for a big number from which people blast coffee from there mouth . Well see...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:07 pm Reply with quote
Juno016 wrote:
Reading a few Japanese news sites talking about this on my phone earlier, most of the people commenting who are pretty knowledgeable about Japanese business said that Konami's denial is pretty standard business stuff. Yes, he's gone. We all know he's gone. They know they're only saving face and that most of us know he's gone. But if they don't save face, they could face legal contract-breaking problems. Kojima probably broke the contract himself, with their mutual involvement, but they don't want to puncture his record and he doesn't want to puncture their record, so they're mutually agreeing on the "extrended vacation" and foreigners trying to expose the lie are just going to make this process more difficult for both parties.
I pretty well surmised that him still being on the employee rolls was probably true, but almost certainly more for Konami's sake than his(my reasoning being that, if they didn't formally terminate him, it'd be easier to beg him to come back). Letting his contract play out makes perfect sense if he didn't slam any nuclear buttons, especially if they can get away with not paying him anything for it(and he's rich enough that a couple months off won't kill him).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:56 pm Reply with quote
Could someone give a summary of why Kojima left Konami?
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J-companies tend to prefer not to outright fire people; instead be more indirectly subtle to preserve the wa harmony for no hard feelings.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:19 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
Could someone give a summary of why Kojima left Konami?


Him leaving was tied to Konami essentially removing him and his staff off of Metal Gear Solid V near the end of it's production. The reasons for which have never been explained.
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BadNewsBlues wrote:
Kadmos1 wrote:
Could someone give a summary of why Kojima left Konami?


Him leaving was tied to Konami essentially removing him and his staff off of Metal Gear Solid V near the end of it's production. The reasons for which have never been explained.


Dont forget their canceling of silent hills? Although that might have just been fallout.
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CrownKlown wrote:


don't forget their canceling of silent hills? Although that might have just been fallout.


Pretty much was.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:18 am Reply with quote
Juno016 wrote:
Reading a few Japanese news sites talking about this on my phone earlier, most of the people commenting who are pretty knowledgeable about Japanese business said that Konami's denial is pretty standard business stuff. Yes, he's gone. We all know he's gone. They know they're only saving face and that most of us know he's gone. But if they don't save face, they could face legal contract-breaking problems. Kojima probably broke the contract himself, with their mutual involvement, but they don't want to puncture his record and he doesn't want to puncture their record, so they're mutually agreeing on the "extrended vacation" and foreigners trying to expose the lie are just going to make this process more difficult for both parties.

Aside from the obvious disliking of foreigners prying into Japanese business claims, it makes sense that they probably had to do some not-so preferable things to break the contract legally. I still think his reputation is big enough that a contract break is not going to soil it, but while I do know a lot about Japanese business, I don't know enough to comment on the way the businesses in the gaming industry work their employee contracts. Well, especially Konami. So whatever.


If they don't like foreigners trying to figure out what they're doing, why even release a statement like this to begin with? They might not like it, but it's not like stating Kojima's on vacation is going to stop it--it's only making it worse. If it breaks their contract, then they're stuck in a no-win situation: Either they don't say it and the contract is broken, or they do say it and risk getting intensified heat from international observers. Bear in mind that not liking a particular reaction is not the same thing as having the power to stop it, and I don't think Konami can stop the criticism from the west.

Westerners, particularly North Americans, greatly value honesty. They want their companies to be upfront and transparent with no pretenses. It's why leaders like Steve Jobs and Satoru Iwata were so well-liked: They were the faces of their companies and acknowledged each time their companies made missteps.

Me, I also really do not like these obvious lies Konami is making. And if it makes this process more difficult, so be it. They deserve every milligram of that. If it makes finding work for Kojima more difficult in Japan, well, he's welcome to come here to the United States, a country that was founded via a deliberate and violent annihilation of harmony. (Harmony is overrated anyway.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:40 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
Westerners, particularly North Americans, greatly value honesty. They want their companies to be upfront and transparent with no pretenses. It's why leaders like Steve Jobs and Satoru Iwata were so well-liked: They were the faces of their companies and acknowledged each time their companies made missteps.


Yet, ironically, we often vote for promise-breaking politicians (though I do personally know a local senator that's a long-time family friend that I do trust).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:51 pm Reply with quote
Goober2049 wrote:
At this point I almost WANT Konami to keep digging deeper just because I want to see how far the rabbit hole goes.

They've already taken the red pill, there's no turning back anymore.


and there is that no compete clause in his contract. however considering that they scrapped kojima productions and once that contract expires, it is a high possibility he would be saying sayonara to konami by year's end. and once that happens, it would be as i said in the recent news, konami's demise will start to happen. but it wont be a matter of if, its a matter of when?
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Well there could be some truth to what Konami is saying...

I mean, if a company wanted me out and I was contracted to work until December, but I still had a lot of paid vacation time saved up, I would've taken the opportunity to cash out on that.

So effectively I've practically left, but am still paid until the end and thus still an employee on paper, but I've also effectively left for all intents and purposes.


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Could someone give a summary of why Kojima left Konami?


While there's been no official explanation what we can piece together is that only a few years back Konami wanted to get into console development more heavily and tasked Kojima with the job of re-organizing the console games division with a new Engine (FOX) and a new pipeline modelled on the efficiency of Western developers, something Kojima had been doing for years circa post-MGS4. This also included opening the new KojiPro branch in LA so they'd get Western talent.

Then suddenly, perhaps around this year, Konami's heads did a 180 when they saw the trends in mobile. And so they pretty much began interfering with the console side and MGSV's development. There's even evidence that Kojima was under pressure to deliver fast, given Metal Gear RISING's initial failed development, the fact that he had to release Ground Zeroes early, and also the fact that he was not allowed to complete MGSV, and also the total axing of Silent Hills, a project the previous president of Konami asked him to take over years ago when FOX was being built.

Konami's heads changed and suddenly a big 180 was taken and if rumors are correct then rivals within the company who hated the console division and Kojima in particular were long since trying to sabotage it leading to a lot of departures of other talent long before Kojima was finally cut at will.

Long story short - Konami got dollar bills in its eyes when it saw initial huge profits from mobile investment as well as from gambling and slot machines, and they predict the end of gaming consoles to niche appeal. Thus they are burning their bridges, and putting all their eggs into the mobile market.

Given mobile is cheap and Konami imagines they can just mass manufacture these things, they don't need the skills or experience of developers like Kojima or any of the expensive talented staff for high end projects. So it's better that they are forced to go.

I'm sure there is some mutual agreement now that Kojima leaves quietly and Konami saves face. But given the abrupt news and rumors and that Konami's PR machine was caught with their pants down, something big and rough occurred towards the end of MGSV's dev cycle that caused this rupture. So it was something spontenaous and in no way planned.

A normal company planning to scale down console for mobile would do it slowly and deliver on things it already announced (like MGSV and Silent Hills). Konami however dropped a bomb on themselves and are scrambling to sweep up the pieces.

Also given all the shenanigans they're pulling with the FOB system on MGSV, it looks like they were forcing mobile/f2P nonsense into the single player game in a predatory move to syphon microtransaction money through an irritating system, which may have been something that Kojima didn't want to do to the level they they are pushing things.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:16 pm Reply with quote
jdnation wrote:


A normal company planning to scale down console for mobile would do it slowly and deliver on things it already announced (like MGSV and Silent Hills)


Actually companies even those not intimately involved with mobile gaming very rarely deliver with games they announce due to either the game winding up in development hell and under going various changes during the process or being cancelled somewhere in between.
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BadNewsBlues wrote:
Actually companies even those not intimately involved with mobile gaming very rarely deliver with games they announce due to either the game winding up in development hell and under going various changes during the process or being cancelled somewhere in between.


Yes, but that's a case where thing go wrong development-wise or for financial reasons. In which case it's understandable.

In Konami's case it's not. A financially healthy company with a game division that is profitable with talented staff, even if they were to change their focus would either -
a) scale down projects to do only a few with some potential reduction to staff.
b) scale down budgets of projects.
c) spin off or sell the division while it's IPs are valuable and the division is in the green.

Konami could've pursued this path, where they had Metal Gear, primed and ready for more modular cheap releases using MGSV's model and engine that could continuously add more new chapters as they did with Ground Zeroes, and exploit it much like Square Enix did FFXIII, and that game's engine was in trouble.

They could've still put out Silent Hills, which wouldn't be open world nor need a new engine and would've been cheaper and quicker to put out presuming Kojima and Del Toro had all their ducks in a row.

FOX was also built for mobile so as mobile gets more powerful, all those assets built for console games could be reused for mobile stuff. The whole FOB thing in MGSV certainly could've been done on Mobile, in fact they've shoehorned mobile stuff into the console game which is irritating players.

Konami could've even sold off the console division to a Chinese firm or something by giving them their own autonomy while maintaining IP control, or sought to make the console division act and run themselves independently with them as publisher, and had the same kind of relationship with Kojima Productions the same way they have relationships with other Western studios that did Silent Hill for them.

Lots of choices, none of them taken, which indicates lack of foresight form the company or some real personal internal division and a last minute blow-out. It'd be interesting to know what happened.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:02 pm Reply with quote
jdnation wrote:
In Konami's case it's not. A financially healthy company with a game division that is profitable with talented staff, even if they were to change their focus would either -
a) scale down projects to do only a few with some potential reduction to staff.
b) scale down budgets of projects.
c) spin off or sell the division while it's IPs are valuable and the division is in the green.


Are those common? They'd be logical, but we're talking about human beings here, who are highly illogical. And oftentimes impatient. (In particular, I'm thinking about Williams Electronics becoming WMS, shutting down its pinball division in 1999, canceling all games in development and halting all production of games still in manufacturing, then going to casino machines and never looking back. Then again, by doing so, their worth as a company dramatically increased, so maybe there's some merit in that.)
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