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The show may have been making a political point, but it's real political power was as a sex comedy anime that (mostly) portrayed girls as just as sexual as boys and using them as interesting and comedic characters in their own right. There was a lot of fanservice, but it was the equal opportunity variety, with male characters in the same states of undress as the girls. When I first heard of the show's concept I was completely turned off by the prospect of another show that would portray women solely as ignorant, "pure" sex objects...cue lots of "accidental" harassment and molesting for laughs. It turned out to be much more thoughtful and much funnier than I would have guessed.

Actar wrote:

Regarding the show, I found it to be highly enjoyable. Of course, there is that somewhat unsatisfactory feeling of not having a complete story arc, but that's to be expected of an adaptation of an on-going series. Half the fun is waiting for a second season, I guess. ( Anime exclamation

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The character that makes the show for me? Anna. She is, in my opinion, one of the funniest characters ever in anime (pornographic or not). Not only is she willing to push all sorts of boundaries, she does so unapologetically and with such earnestness that she's literally a treat to watch on-screen (...)

P.S. Binkan-chan is the true best character of the show!

J.C. Staff have produced two shows this year that needs a second season: Food Wars and Shimoneta, but I don't know why but I'm pretty sure that those won't get anything else in a long time. Sad

And yes, I totally agree with you that Anna is the heart of Shimoneta. More than the heart, is an over the top example of what could happen if censorship and those laws ruled the society. Not sure if she's one of the best comedy characters ever, though, but, together with Ougi Oshino from Owarimono, I'd put her in my list of Best Female Characters of 2015 for sure.

And Binkan/Sensitive-chan... She was sweet and I did spotted her everytime she appeared on screen. I fondly remember the time spoiler[she encountered those vibrators and toys in a box left in the floor. I wonder what she did with those.]

12skippy21 wrote:

On the subject I actually agree with blocking porn by default on computers as it does not show genuine sex. Too much of it is OTT, certainly funny but not titallating (mostly it is written for men rather than women, not all men are into bukkake) and as adults entering a password is hardly the end of the world.

By that same token prudish adults with wonky logic shouldn't err on the belief that adults (or minors) looking at naked people on computer screens is something worth restricting for no discernible reason.

WashuTakahashi wrote:

12skippy21 wrote:

On the subject I actually agree with blocking porn by default on computers as it does not show genuine sex. Too much of it is OTT, certainly funny but not titallating (mostly it is written for men rather than women, not all men are into bukkake) and as adults entering a password is hardly the end of the world.

OOORRRR you could be a smart adult and block/password protect those sites if you have children you don't want to see it instead of inconveniencing everyone else.

It's not like porn is some unalienable right. If adults need to show proof of age to obtain cigarettes and alcohol, why not put pornography under the same standard? There have been studies that show that being exposed to hardcore porn at a young age is akin to the child being sexually abused. I personally don't think that a child should have the right to avoid being psychologically scarred for life only if they are lucky enough to be born to responsible parents. The internet made porn ubiquitous, and right now it would be nearly impossible to regulate it. That doesn't mean it *shouldn't* be regulated.

Agent355 wrote:

.. sex comedy anime that (mostly) portrayed girls as just as sexual as boys and using them as interesting and comedic characters in their own right.

I am not so sure that Shimoneta really broke new ground there, but regardless of that they managed to make Ayame one of the more interesting female characters of recent seasons. Otome was a distant second.

Shimoneta's weakness, however, was revealed in their use of the Hyouka characters. It was never explained why Hyouka was left to try to investigate the mysteries of sex using science when many other characters, Ayame at the lead, clearly understood the mechanics of it and what they were rebelling for. Had it been played more "straight" a character like Hyouka would have been much more dangerous to the status quo and would have been actively used that way by the SOX characters. As it was they just dealt with her when they had to.

Overall it was a pretty good effort but could have been much better.

It's Psycho Pass if Psycho Pass said everything it needed to say in the first episode and spent the rest of its run time indulging in Light Novel tropes and gross out humour that's far more gross than it is funny.

Kind of glad this show bombed in Japan to be honest.

{I would like to think that that you are being facetious; but if you are being facetious, then you need to be explicit about that. ~nobahn}

Jamie Marchi would be great to make this into an even raunchier dub. I can see Josh Grelle playing the lead guy. One reason is that he actually has seen some of the show (I remember reading this on his FB or Twitter).

Agent355 wrote:

If adults need to show proof of age to obtain cigarettes and alcohol, why not put pornography under the same standard?

Because it's arbitrary and serves no purpose just like having an age limit on the consumption of alcohol and tobacco.

Agent355 wrote:

There have been studies that show that being exposed to hardcore porn at a young age is akin to the child being sexually abused.

So apparently softcore porn isn't a thing. Nor is sexually explicit content that just simply shows nudity and no sex which a child is more likely to be exposed to, than two people engaging in sexual intercourse.

Agent355 wrote:

The internet made porn ubiquitous, and right now it would be nearly impossible to regulate it. That doesn't mean it *shouldn't* be regulated.

The problem with your logic though (aside from the blatant contradiction) is that there's utterly no reason to regulate it. I mean if you're attempting to do it solely for the "alleged" benefit of children it's utterly laughable since the kids are going to find out about the stuff some other way to say nothing of it being a potential slippery slope.

Well, Shimoneta is one of my favorite animes of this year and I will say I am curious about an english dub and who will be cast. I certainly know Josh Grelle will likely be typecasted as the main character but I wanna know who would they pick for the girls because all I can think of is Leah Clark as Ayame and Bryn Apprill as Anna. Also, I think this goes without saying but please no shoehorning in pointless politics like with Prison School.

If you disagree with the regulation of things governments generally regulate like tobacco, alcohol, marijuana where it's legal, gambling, driving, etc, than of course you'd be against any pornography regulation, but pornography used to be regulated in the same way and still is in some respects-minors still can't just go alone to see a movie rated NC-17, let alone X. The only thing that made it arbitrary is the internet. Used to be clear cut that you couldn't buy Penthouse or similar magazines if you were under 18. I don't think that was such a bad thing, or that it infringed on rights or freedom of speech.

As for. The kids are going to find out about it anyway--about sex in general, sure, but about hardcore porn? Hopefully not before puberty.

Shimoneta had some logic holes, like equating *any* kind of sexual education (including basic biology and even the existence of sex/mating in animals and insects) with pornography, but even it drew a line in a couple of places. Stealing panties or forcing yourself on others (like Anna tried to do) was not ok, even as it was played for laughs. spoiler[Although they had no problem with girls drawing yaoi using the reluctant main character. It was funny, but also not ok. If he didn't have a problem with the comics, it would have been funnier and ok)]

SquadmemberRitsu wrote:

It's Psycho Pass if Psycho Pass said everything it needed to say in the first episode and spent the rest of its run time indulging in Light Novel tropes and gross out humour that's far more gross than it is funny.

Psycho Pass said everything it had to say in its first episode and spent the rest of its runtime running down every gore and sociopath trope they could steal.

Sad that Shimoneta as more to say about censorship's effect on society than Psycho Pass has to say about... I was never sure about its point. "There are sick and twisted people no matter how hard the government came down on them." It didn't connect the two and the show seemed more interesting in showing how deranged its mad killers were- for the kids, you know?- than connecting their existence to its society. They tried to pull a "we know about them and try to use them to further our own goal" but it should be a issue of creation, not regulation. Otherwise you're just saying "Some people are just sick, what are you going to do? Does it matter?"

Animegomaniac wrote:

Psycho Pass said everything it had to say in its first episode and spent the rest of its runtime running down every gore and sociopath trope they could steal.

Sad that Shimoneta as more to say about censorship's effect on society than Psycho Pass has to say about... I was never sure about its point.

I'm not the biggest fan of the show either, but no. I'm honestly not sure why you find it so hard to wrap your head around the themes of Psycho Pass.

I found the overarching themes of Psycho Pass to be pretty generic and I also found that the way they communicated those themes felt a bit awkward and unnatural compared to other works of the same genre. But even at its worst, I'd still call it 'competent'. It's written by someone who knows what they're talking about even if what they're talking about isn't all that interesting and it sometimes doesn't deliver that message all that well.

On the other hand, Shimoneta feels less like it's trying to make some sort of statement and more like the author is just using the backdrop as an excuse to put his weird sex fetishes onto paper for the whole world to see. Typical LN fair all things considered. Only unlike IS and DxD, this one didn't sell too may Blu-ray discs.

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Sure, SHIMONETA is using a "slippery slope" argument, but that's a pretty classic cyberpunk tactic - use current technological advancements and take them to their logical conclusion.

I think this is a lot less slippery than Psycho-pass's spoiler["we are going to be governed by brains inside boxes"].

1. No Sex ed. You do not need sexual education to have children, humans were procreating before schools were invented. But that knowledge is useful to have intercourse without procreating.

2. No Porn. Everybody has a libido, it can go from zero (asexual) to very high, but when there is no material (photos, drawings, videogames, videos, etc.) to sublimate said urges, well, people CAN go crazy in real life. I still haven't found the article that linked high rape rates to the banning of playboy magazine (probably read it before the internet era and nobody has uploaded it) in some states of the USA in the 20th century.

So what happens when you put the prior two together? You get a population explosion! Ask your grandfather or great grandfather about how there used to be families with 10+ children back when those two criteria were fulfilled. Can you see the modern government of Japan going for said conclusion? The 15 years since the new law was enacted means this is the whole generation that truly lacks any sex knowledge since those old enough cannot pass it to them without risk being put in jail.

If Anna hadn't failed to rape our MC she would be pregnant and no doubt would have had a shotgun wedding by the final episode.

mangamuscle wrote:

Everybody has a libido, it can go from zero (asexual)

Just want to point out that that isn't asexuality. Asexuality is the absence of sexual attraction toward people. Some asexuals have no sex drive, true, but many have a moderate or very high drive. It just lacks a direction.

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