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Hey, Santaman! [2006-12-08]

I'm not sure how being homeschooled with a "Christian" curriculum could possibly make any of the titles mentioned in previous posts any worse than they already were. Personally, if you're being homeschooled, I'd say that any problems are going to come from your parents rather than necessarily their religion, considering that not every Christian thinks and acts the same way.

I wish I had been homeschooled. My mother is a retired school teacher and my father is a lawyer. My education would have been considerably better if I'd been taught by them.

PaladinBlue wrote:

if there's one thing I know, you can NOT read Shakespeare as a piece of literature and enjoy it.

One-hundred percent true! One of my high school literature classes had a lesson on Shakespeare. The students had to read the parts out-loud, which would have been perfect, except that my class was full of morons.

First, we didn't finish Romeo and Juliet. Second, have you ever heard a group of people who can barely read on a fourth grade level trying to read Shakespeare? Ever seen a movie called Renaissance Man with Danny DeVito?

My high school class made those guys look like truly gifted Shakespearean actors. I was the only person in the class aside from the teacher who even knew how to pronounce the names correctly. (You don't even want to know how they pronounced some of them.)

If there's one thing I know, you can NOT read Shakespeare as a piece of literature and enjoy it.

HitokiriShadow wrote:

I love the Gifts for People You Hate section. I'd like to see what you recommend for the Radical Fundamentalist Christian. You know, the ones that were claiming Pokemon was from the devil and burned Pikachu effigies? And I'm completely serious in my desire to see the recomendation for them.

Evangelion

Kamon wrote:

Anime_Freak wrote: How about Trinity Blood for the atheist relative/friend for a future Gfts for people you Hate column/section? How about Trinity Blood, period?

Add Chrono Crusade to the list. Y'know, if they like blondes with guns.

I was generalizing mainly because most of the curriculums I've seen that claim to be Christian love Shakespeare way too much. I mean to an almost obsessive level, second usually to Pilgrim's Progress (my most hated of all "classics"). Of course, my own mother chose A Beka when she started my sister and me. I had to read Hamlet, Julius Caesar, and Romeo and Juliet, at least, normally all three in one year.

I loveloveLOVE Flowers for Algernon, even if it was one of the most tragically depressing things I've ever read. Gah. I'm getting sniffly just thinking about it.

For the record, I like everything, regardless of body count and/or panchira, as long as it has a good story to tell. Well, sometimes it doesn't have to. *quickly hides Urotosukidouji under the bed*

PaladinBlue wrote:

I was generalizing mainly because most of the curriculums I've seen that claim to be Christian love Shakespeare way too much. I mean to an almost obsessive level, second usually to Pilgrim's Progress (my most hated of all "classics"). Of course, my own mother chose A Beka when she started my sister and me. I had to read Hamlet, Julius Caesar, and Romeo and Juliet, at least, normally all three in one year.

Okay, I wasn't sure exactly what you were getting at before. Sorry about that.

It's odd that Shakespeare would be so prominent in a "Christian" curriculum. I'm not particularly aware of anything particularly relgious about the Bard's works, but I suppose anything is better than some of the horrors that are taught in the public school system.

And I LOLed that Utena has senseless violence. First of all Utena is a shoujo title, which means it's not going to have excessive violence in the first place (there are exceptions, though). The point of the duels (which are remisicent of honor duels back in the day) is to fight for the Rose Bride, plus Episode 13 shows the results of those Rose Duels to Utena. Ikki Tousen and Tenjou Tenge are fighting series. The main focus is fighting and they usually have reasons for why they fight.

Mohawk52 wrote:

And I LOLed that Utena has senseless violence. First of all Utena is a shoujo title, which means it's not going to have excessive violence in the first place (there are exceptions, though). The point of the duels (which are remisicent of honor duels back in the day) is to fight for the Rose Bride, plus Episode 13 shows the results of those Rose Duels to Utena. Ikki Tousen and Tenjou Tenge are fighting series. The main focus is fighting and they usually have reasons for why they fight.

I was going to get around to mentioning this. Compared to some gore I've seen, Utena is very stylized and it's main focus is anything but the violence. The guy admits he didn't even like Utena, anyway

Sideways tangent to the recent ban on trans-fats at all restaurants in NYC (and a similar ban on foie gras in Chicago) based on health reasons.

hey since thier not going to release onepice anymore im assuming this makes fansubs fair game also are they still goanna release the manga

If anything, I think atheists would be annoyed by that anime based off the Bible more than anything else. Too bad there aren't any R1 DVDs of it, though.

Also the most compelling reason I have heard for explaining Christanity's aversion to sexuality dates back to it early days when it was persecuted by the Roman Empire. In the curroupt Roman Empire that mercilessly persecuted the Early Christans wanton sexuality was practiced. There are too many examples to even describe a small sample of them. As a result early Christans associated sexuality with moral corruptness, and unnessecary sexuala acts outside of marriage (i.e. sex not intended for procreation) was condemned, and celibacy was considered the ideal. The idea still stubbornally persists to this day. In contrast eastern sociteties, including Japan generally had more balanced outlook on sexuality, combining pleasure and spirtuallity.

animalia555 wrote:

Also the most compelling reason I have heard for explaining Christanity's aversion to sexuality dates back to it early days when it was persecuted by the Roman Empire. In the curroupt Roman Empire that mercilessly persecuted the Early Christans wanton sexuality was practiced. There are too many examples to even describe a small sample of them. As a result early Christans associated sexuality with moral corruptness, and unnessecary sexuala acts outside of marriage (i.e. sex not intended for procreation) was condemned, and celibacy was considered the ideal. The idea still stubbornally persists to this day. In contrast eastern sociteties, including Japan generally had more balanced outlook on sexuality, combining pleasure and spirtuallity.

I'm sorry, but where on Earth did you get this theory from? I mean, about the "corruption of Rome" being the driving force in Christian sexual restrictiveness?

Was this some nonsense your Sunday school teacher stuffed into your defenseless head while you were a child? Or did you actually read it somewhere? If so, how about quoting a source?

All of which is to say that your theory is claptrap. It's completely ahistorical. No matter what you may have seen in "I, Claudius", wanton sexuality was far from the norm in Rome.

If you want a reason for Christianity (not the Judeo-Christian whole, but the early Christian Church in particular) being pervaded by feelings of abhorrence for natural sexuality, look no further than the twisted man who made this theme so important in both the New Testament and in the Church: St. Paul. Don't blame the Romans for his excesses.

If only the early Church had taken another path than the Pauline, a lot of wickedness might have been avoided.

- abunai

Same here, although I prefer the violence not be just for it's own sake and that the fanservice serve some purpose. (Let it be funny at least, like Negima!'s fanservice.)