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MorwenLaicoriel
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 Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:49 am
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I think he was refering more to the porn, rather than just learning about it in school. Porn tends to have a whole other set of issues (like how objectifying it often is for the woman), and it seems like there's a difference between learning about the biology of it and watching something pornographic.
Of course I could be misunderstanding...if he means that he's waiting until 18 to do "the talk", then I agree that it's a pretty high age.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:26 am
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| MorwenLaicoriel wrote: | | I think he was refering more to the porn, rather than just learning about it in school. Porn tends to have a whole other set of issues (like how objectifying it often is for the woman), and it seems like there's a difference between learning about the biology of it and watching something pornographic.
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That's exactly what I'm on about. This is the problem with skimming a thread as I had said I had discussed it with him. Formal sex education in school is not pornagraphy. Live action porn is nothing but third party gratification at the expense of the health and safety of those performing the deed in front of the camera. If they appear to enjoy it, well they'd better if they want to get paid at the end of the day.
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Quadraxis
Joined: 15 May 2006
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Location: Holland
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:28 am
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Yeah, sorry, misunderstood you.
On the subject of porn itself, while I got in touch with it before 18 (I was watching it when I was 15 or so), it depends on the household at what age parents deem it acceptable to let their children watch it. I've got no problems with that as long as the kids understand what it is about.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:49 am
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| Quadraxis wrote: | | On the subject of porn itself, while I got in touch with it before 18 (I was watching it when I was 15 or so), it depends on the household at what age parents deem it acceptable to let their children watch it. I've got no problems with that as long as the kids understand what it is about. |
It might depend on the household, but I wouldn't fancy those parents chances in a court of law if it's discovered they let their children watch such things when those children are under the age of consent of the land there.
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animalia555
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:39 am
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| daxomni wrote: | | You probably already know that I love to hate on shows that go to far, but what is the deal with you and Strawberry Marshmallow? There are a lot of relatively sick aspects to Japanese culture, and maybe Strawberry Marshmallow was actually marketed in the rather objectionable manner you've claim over in Japan. I don't live there so I'll just have to take your word for it.
Here in North America, however, I didn't see any of what you previously described. There were no late-night TV runs or overtly suggestive ancillary items or fetish style marketing that I could see. There was nothing holding me back from trashing this whole series, except, there was simply almost nothing to trash. Certainly not everyone is going to enjoy such a silly and cute series, even among audiences of young girls, but I don't think that's because it was supposedly aimed exclusively at adult male perverts. Well, at least not here in North America.
If you could point out something in the show itself that convinced you to bring on the hate then I'd love to hear about it. As it is I actually ended up enjoying a show I was expecting to despise. It's not something I'll probably ever watch again, in fact I already gave it away to someone else, but it was fun for a single viewing and I don't think I'm completely out of line for saying so. In any case, I'll probably be back at the station for the next hate train but in the mean time I'm just going to let this one pass me by. |
I'm going to have to agree with this... Not because I think the show isn't made to appeal to adult males (it certainly is), but because there really is absolutely no evidence at all that that is who the show is aimed at by simply just viewing the show. Sure, if you're on the internet and all, know what Japanese otaku like and how things are marketed to them, have background knowledge of the creator, read the manga, etc., it's going to be obvious to you who this series was aimed at. But to someone like Uncle Bob, he isn't going to have a clue about any of this. To tell you the truth, even my friends (who are casual anime fans) that I showed this to were convinced, and still are, that this anime is aimed at children. They told me they don't see how it can possibly be aimed at adults, and actually laughed at me when I told them. You have to step back from all of the other stuff and just watch this series with no outside influence. If you do that, there really is no kind of sexual undertones or anything else to this series.
You're only going to notice these "creepy exploits" and "obvious fetishy overtones" if you know about it and if that's what on you're mind when you watch it. And I can guarentee you, that's not what's on Uncle Bob's mind. |
I have never watched Strawberry Marshmellow, and probably never will. Yet, I must admit this statement has got me curiios. Just what are these fetishy undertones that are easy to miss? It is hard for me to imagine such a thing is possible, but I am by no means willing to count it out.
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abunai
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:55 am
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| animalia555 wrote: | | Actually, I did not hear of any of this in sunday school which I haven't really taken since I was about 10. If memory serves I learned about the whole Roman-Christan connection, in a HUMAN SEXUALITY class I took in COLLEGE, and let me just say this it was NOT taught by a conservative teacher. I mean MIss Pisacreta (who teaches the psychology, versus the Biology aspect of the course) even said that porn is okay as long as you don't dwell on it. |
So it was a college course in the U.S.? (Confirms my prejudices about the U.S. education system...)
Anyway, I'm sure this means that you can provide more source material for this theory than just a "my teacher said" bit of hearsay? Say, an article in a peer-reviewed journal, or a creditable scientific text?
And what does a psychologist know about Roman history?
Show me what you've got that isn't hearsay.
- abunai
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:15 am
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| animalia555 wrote: | | I mean MIss Pisacreta (who teaches the psychology, versus the Biology aspect of the course) even said that porn is okay as long as you don't dwell on it. |
Same could be said about murder, or masterbation.
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dormcat
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:40 pm
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Zac
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:14 pm
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OK folks, time to move on.
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