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SrkSano
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Interesting. Fate/Extra had two different protagonists you could play as, male or female, multiple servants and multiple endings. At one point I had to even choose which female character would die and who would I save.
Wonder how you make an anime out of all that. Which protagonist and scenario you will choose that will satisfy people who have played the game and those who haven't. Unless they offer an entirely different scenario and storyline altogether. The promotional art that I recall featured the female as the protagonist / Master. I'm betting they will go with that to seperate it from previous and upcoming works that are about Shiro and Saber. |
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Gilarack
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The 2006 Fate was bad (I have seen it). UBW was bad too. So what you are telling me is that when Heavens Feel comes out those first two shows will suddenly be great? I have a hard time believing that. This franchise is exprecting from me to watch or read the same story (with some changes) three times. That sounds like very inefficient storytelling to me. In my opinion they should have just figured a way out to filter the essence of all three storys and turn it into one single show. It's not impossible. It's just what you call an adaptation. Adapting one medium to another. They do that since the beginning of cinema. |
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Gilarack
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I guess sometimes the answer is that easy. 
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jl07045
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When the UBW anime is announced together with a Fate Android version and a Heaven's Feel movie, yes, it gives a clear message that this is just a part of the full story. As far as the main story goes, it stands on its own though. As for everything else, if you want to make the case you so clearly were itching to, how about you give more than the standard sweeping statements that warrant no serious response beyond a request for elaboration? At least in that case the derail would have been somewhat justified. |
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LetsEatRamen
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Although ufo is arguably THE Fate studio, I personally love Shaft. THE HYPE IS ON
But I'm seriously hoping the problems in F/Z and UBW won't be appearing... Hopefully we'll get a good director for this. spoiler[Let's pray for Saber headflips] 
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Gilarack
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When the new Star Wars movie came out there was also a lot of supplemantary material that came out with it. But I was able to understand that film just fine without it. Playing an android game should not be required to understand a show. I think I made it pretty clear that my main problem with UBW was that there was not enough story for 26 episodes. I got bored with it. That's the worst offender! But if you insist to hear my problems with what was presented in the story itself: !!!UBW SPOILERS INCOMING!!! -Why the meaningless creepy Saber torture fanservice? There was no reason for the sexualisation. -Why did the oh so caring Shirou never asked Saber if she was alright after what Medea has done to her? -Why did Rin not get angry at Archer when he left her alone with Shinji who tried to rape her. She almost cried over Archer when he died. -Why wasn't she angry at Shinji for what he did and even apologises to him in the second to last episode for ... whatever. -Why is Saber just standing around watching the fight between Shirou and Archer and didm't try to help Rin instead? For a person who is normally so selfless that is a very out of character thing to do. They just did this because Saber would have solved the problem within seconds but the needed some forced drama. -For a person who is so inclined to help everyone around him Shirou sure didn't care about Rin much at all when she needed him most. He literally just hit himself instead. -Why does nobody speak or act like a human being? Those seem like small details but they are not. Every character is always talking about his or her ideals but they almost never act according to them. There, is that enough? |
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Valhern
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Backwards, actually. The first two make the third great, in minimal details. Knowing Saber and Archer's story (which is, ultimately, the principal purpose of Fate and UBW) makes you think of their role in HF in a whole different perspective than not knowing it. As you say, it's not impossible, I thought of it and can be done, but think of this: originally, in Fate, you get together with the three main girls, the sex scenes was one main selling point way back then, you can't just get the three altogether in one main route. Also, it's kinda the point for a decision-making game, depending on your choices you end with different endings. The routes had to be done for the game to be more appealing to otaku, it's sad, but true. Now, let's say ufotable goes and dares to make it all in one. DEEN tried, it ended terribad. You do know that the Fate fandom is...explosive, right? And that's only with one route being adapted more or less faithfully, imagine the backlash there'd be if you DARE to retouch the source material, nope, not risking that one. And believe me, HF is really not the same one, it's VERY different from Fate and UBW. It does have that problem of Outside Event - House - Outside Event - House which I really disliked reading, gladly Ufotable had the idea to retouch that and have different sceneries for the same scene, making it a little more dynamic.
1) Otaku like that. No, really, otaku like that. 2) Shirou has a problem with priorities and he kinda did not have the time when Archer was throwing swords at him, Saber had to protect him at that time. 3) In a sense, she believes that Archer is like a broken Shirou, and she sort of feels that there is some sort of justification to his actions, since Rin might have done that, there is no plot justification, though, since Shirou would have gone to Archer anyway, but Rin's kidnapping was done so Lancer could get his Rank E luck put to test. But for the sake of pure convenience, Gilgamesh was there to force Archer not do anything to Shinji. 4) That would be another mistake. She saved him because he is Sakura's brother, after all, I don't get also why she forgave him, must be similar to why she forgave Archer, though in this case is more pity she feels for him. Shinji sucks, but it also sucks to be Shinji, so to speak. 5) The same problem with Archer and Lancer's entrance. But this one has some sort of explanation: Saber has a conflict similar to Shirou's, that of being the eternal King Arthur, or finally being herself, Arthuria, ideal vs. reality, much like Archer vs Shirou, so she standed to watch. 6) I don't know which part you're exactly referring nor do I remember, unless you mean when Rin is free and they're attacked by Gilgamesh. And to your last two questions, Nasu writes weird, nobody talks normal in anime, that is true, but Nasu puts it in another new level. About the ideals thing, I think it's very normal for a contradiction between the ideal and you yourself, Archer puts it "Do you want to save people or the ideal of saving people" Theory and practice are very different. |
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jl07045
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SilverTalon01
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No, you really don't. I'm not going to say much of it wasn't repeated far too often because it certainly was, but you certainly don't find out everything there is about him that early either.
The fact that you can say this means you missed the entire point of Fate/Stay Night. The story in its entirety is really about Shiro changing.
It does though. Those things you point out not being fully explained don't stop UBW the anime from standing on its own.
No, it really is impossible. You could maybe add in more story elements from other routes like the DEEN adaption did to flesh out characters that are fairly ignored in a particular route. However, the themes of the three routes very much conflict with one another so there is absolutely no way you could combine that.
I guess you somehow forgot Lancer went off to do that very thing? It isn't like Saber would have gotten there any faster.
Probably because she sees Shinji as a victim of the grail war and she is the heir to one of the three families responsible for it.
Archer sure, but knowing Saber's spoiler[story adds nothing as she is pretty much irrelevant.] |
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xFlintx
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ubw was bad and most VN agress with that heck even nasu sligtly hinted that in a Inteview same how ishda(tokyo ghoul creator) slightly mentioned how bad the tokyo ghoul anime was , but looks like you just don't care about the route when you already say they that HF Shriou is more satisfying than UBW shirou ( i drop everything because some pussy) lol |
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Ali07
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Nice, I'm a fan of the Fate concept...and will never play the games, so more anime makes me happy. Didn't like the original Fate anime, but I did enjoy UBW, so more Fate is welcome.
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theNightster
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I'm surprised Shaft instead of Ufotable, I guess they're busy with Heaven's feel
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Valhern
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Hmm, considering they adapt the true ending, well, no. I was actually thinking if you play the VN and go to the ending in which spoiler[Alter Saber kills Shirou], I think it helps a lot knowing the Fate route.
Really? Ishida gave an interview? And he said that Tokyo Ghoul anime was bad? That'd be a new one, it's very weird for a mangaka to say something like that, the only time I remember a mangaka disliked an animation project so much was Hirohiko Araki with the infamous Phantom Blood movie. And yes, to me HF is more satisfying than UBW, but I don't say UBW is bad. In UBW you end with Shirou choosing the Hero path, regrets, suffering and all (Archer does accept it in the end, too), that's not bad, but the most we know is that he won't be Archer and that Rin will accompain him, meaning, we have a Shirou dead on serious on his ideals, ready to accept whatever comes, and it's okay. In HF, spoiler[Shirou finds himself in a hurdle that Archer predicted, even Kiritsugu did. Save one and let many die, kill one and save many. Shirou finally reaches a break point. Both choices are right and perfectly understandable, killing Sakura makes clear who he takes as an enemy, it basically makes him his ideal of a hero. However, not killing her also makes him a hero, because he decides who to protect and who is his enemy now too, he is risking a lot, but he won't have any regrets. My favorite ending is in the one he dies, because I feel that he went and became a hero, a tragic one, like he was always fated to be. The one in which everyone survives is...not bad, but feels a little unsatisfying to me.] |
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theNightster
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it baffles me as to why they chose Fate/extra over hollow ataraxia(which is the actual sequel to Fate/stay night)
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ParaChomp
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As a fan of the Fate series, I'm excited for this. 2017 can't come any sooner. I wish it will, 2016 has been horrible so far.
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