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NEWS: Crunchyroll to Stream Super Lovers Boys-Love Anime


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#838774



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:31 pm Reply with quote
CheezcakeMe wrote:

Also, I think it's perfectly legit to voice concerns about a show possibly promoting pedophilia. But again, watch before judge.


klrock wrote:
You make it sound like it's just a fan service filled series that some people just don't have a taste for, but this is quite literally pedophilia. We are voicing our concerns on something that is universally seen as wrong and disturbing.


There is no pedophilia since Haru is 16 before anything happens in the manga. He is obviously drawn to look younger. Second, the manga was already made so it's like protesting a building that has already been built. Third, lolicon/shotacon is NOT currently considered child porn by Japanese legislation and therefore is not subject to pedophilia laws. Whether or not they should be is highly debated and political and people fall on all sides of the spectrum.

It can be creepy or obscene to you, but your choice as a foreign citizen is pretty much not to watch it if it squicks you out.
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uruaoi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:06 pm Reply with quote
I totally understand why people feel uncomfortable about the relationship between the two, and I don't really like shota either. Though, Ren and Haru don't really start to get too touchy until Ren is about 16, and the age of consent in Japan IS 13............ I'm not saying that in a real world situation that it's necessarily okay, but considering this is something stemming from Japan where laws are different, and also keeping in mind that it is anime, I think it's okay to allow people to enjoy this anime without guilt haha.
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Cielito_Lindo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:06 pm Reply with quote
klrock wrote:
#838774 wrote:
ZiharkXVI wrote:
leesahlynn wrote:
This is a really beloved series among BL fans for its storytelling and character development, it doesn't even have sex scenes and Ren's age is something Haru continuously respects even when Ren wants to do more.

Why don't you all give it a read instead of making conclusions based on your wildly incorrect assumptions?


You can't really blame people for assumptions. The picture itself is basically older boy with kid and the words "Super Lovers". And really? Haru respects Ren's age even if Ren wants to do more?

It may sound offensive to your ears, but I am creeped out by this.


Then don't watch it. Being offended or creeped out won't change the fact that it's been animated or that the manga existed and the story was told. There's a lot of things that I find offensive and disturbing in anime but fortunately, your eyes come with an opt-out button in the form of simply averting them and finding something else.


You make it sound like it's just a fan service filled series that some people just don't have a taste for, but this is quite literally pedophilia. We are voicing our concerns on something that is universally seen as wrong and disturbing.


Speaking as a well-read BL fan, no, not all of us love this series, for exactly the same reasons I bolded on the previous comment, or is critisising what is morally wrong not allowed anymore?
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#838774



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:21 pm Reply with quote
Cielito_Lindo wrote:

Speaking as a well-read BL fan, no, not all of us love this series, for exactly the same reasons I bolded on the previous comment, or is critisising what is morally wrong not allowed anymore?


Morality is subjective. By making blanket statements regarding morality, you open your view up for criticism as well. No animals were harmed in the making of this film. If you want to be angry at shota/lolicon series for existing (which this technically isn't as Haru is 16), then you also need to protest all films which depict acts of CGI violence against animals.

The world doesn't owe you anything. You don't have the right to not be offended. We create our own safe spaces, and shota/loli clearly isn't yours.
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manapear



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:30 pm Reply with quote
The art style for this is nice and I like the designs of some of the older guys, so I'm going to give it a shot.

As far as the main ship goes, I've seen commentary going all kinds of ways, and don't know what to think yet.

One thing I do know is, I hope some of the people concerned about this relationship are also just as concerned about the sexualization of sixteen and younger female characters in anime, and even how intended audience ties into that. Otherwise, feels like concern trolling at an audience that already gets flak (plenty of it fair, and plenty of it double standard and gross).
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kotomikun



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:18 am Reply with quote
uruaoi wrote:
Though, Ren and Haru don't really start to get too touchy until Ren is about 16, and the age of consent in Japan IS 13


From what I've heard, this is only technically true; the various regions/prefectures set their own ages of consent, which are mostly around 16.

I don't know anything about this series, but common sense tells me that CR would not be streaming it if it was full-blown Boku no You-Know-What. Let's not freak out just yet.
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whiskeyii



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:30 am Reply with quote
kotomikun wrote:

From what I've heard, this is only technically true; the various regions/prefectures set their own ages of consent, which are mostly around 16.


Ditto, though I heard most prefectures tend to defer to whatever age the most "modern" (read: Tokyo) area tends to go with so they don't look behind the times in policy.

Personally, I'm waffling on this. I tend to prefer couples with "equal" power structures (either both adults or both teens), but my biggest issue is probably the art. Don't get me wrong, it looks fine, but I don't think I've seen such a big discrepancy in style between "adults" and their "not adult" partners since Loveless. o.O

Generally, I'm not a good fit for romance anime, but someone mentioned strong character development, which I'm always a sucker for. I think I'll stay on the fence for this one until I can get a better feel for what kind of show this'll be.

EDIT: Tokyo has a "Youth Protection Law" in place that prohibits adults from having sex with people under 17. Don't know how well-enforced it is, but this is probably the practice kotomikun and I have heard about through hearsay.
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epicrevenge





PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:01 am Reply with quote
Great news! Thank you Crunchyroll. I've been looking forward to Super Lovers for a while. Smile It's probably the anime I'm most excited for this season.
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klrock



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:50 am Reply with quote
Cielito_Lindo wrote:
klrock wrote:
#838774 wrote:
ZiharkXVI wrote:
leesahlynn wrote:
This is a really beloved series among BL fans for its storytelling and character development, it doesn't even have sex scenes and Ren's age is something Haru continuously respects even when Ren wants to do more.

Why don't you all give it a read instead of making conclusions based on your wildly incorrect assumptions?


You can't really blame people for assumptions. The picture itself is basically older boy with kid and the words "Super Lovers". And really? Haru respects Ren's age even if Ren wants to do more?

It may sound offensive to your ears, but I am creeped out by this.


Then don't watch it. Being offended or creeped out won't change the fact that it's been animated or that the manga existed and the story was told. There's a lot of things that I find offensive and disturbing in anime but fortunately, your eyes come with an opt-out button in the form of simply averting them and finding something else.


You make it sound like it's just a fan service filled series that some people just don't have a taste for, but this is quite literally pedophilia. We are voicing our concerns on something that is universally seen as wrong and disturbing.


Speaking as a well-read BL fan, no, not all of us love this series, for exactly the same reasons I bolded on the previous comment, or is critisising what is morally wrong not allowed anymore?


This is great, and, though it may not be for me, i see nothing wrong with BL. This whole conversation applies to loli in anime.
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Cielito_Lindo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:01 am Reply with quote
#838774 wrote:
We create our own safe spaces, and shota/loli clearly isn't yours.


Yes, absolutely, animated child porn is completely acceptable and no one should ever criticise it.
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SpacemanHardy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:48 pm Reply with quote
It seems that Funimation beat them to "Boku no Hero Academia," so Crunchyroll had to settle for "Boku no Pico Academia." Cool


....I'll see myself out.
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klrock



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:47 pm Reply with quote
SpacemanHardy wrote:
It seems that Funimation beat them to "Boku no Hero Academia," so Crunchyroll had to settle for "Boku no Pico Academia." Cool


....I'll see myself out.


(Slow clap)
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johnnysasaki



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:08 pm Reply with quote
klrock wrote:
SpacemanHardy wrote:
It seems that Funimation beat them to "Boku no Hero Academia," so Crunchyroll had to settle for "Boku no Pico Academia." Cool


....I'll see myself out.


(Slow clap)


yeah,if people are reacting like this for THIS anime,imagine if they ever see something like Boku no Pico?That would be hilarious!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:14 am Reply with quote
Has this been said? Because it feels like everyone is deliberately ignoring the fact that the age difference between Haru (24) and Ren (16) is 7 years.

So nowadays, a 16-year old is considered a loli and a 7-year age difference pedophilic? Fancy that.

Anyway, if this anime gets picked up for weekly streaming reviews (which I hope it doesn't), whoever gets to review it must take a neutral standpoint when reviewing the anime.

I don't think ANN wants to get a reputation of being homophobic and afraid of 7-year age difference relationships.
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lebrel



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:28 pm Reply with quote
It might be helpful to think of this series as similar to the josei series Bunny Drop*. The first four volumes of Bunny Drop are a heartwarming "single father raises cute kid" story about a gormless guy who adopts an orphaned girl. Then it timeskips to when the girl is a teenager and suddenly turns into a romance where she is in love with her adoptive father. It ends with them getting married.

Super Lovers has a similar plot arc, except substitute "maybe-brother who acts in loco parentis" for "adoptive father". The big problems with the relationship are the age difference (and no, I don't think 7 years apart is appropriate when the younger party is 16) and the fact that the older party previously had a caretaking relationship with the younger party, not the age of the younger party as such. Although I personally can accept it in fiction, such a relationship would be very, very skeevy in real life. But pedophilia is not involved.

*The anime of Bunny Drop stops before the time skip and is totally adorable and you should watch it.
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