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gabuhaha
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:07 pm
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Valhern wrote: | If you want to know what mainstream shows look like, you have One Piece. You can say that in-world female characters dress the way they want to; but similar to Fairy Tail, the original author clearly has a tendency to draw all female characters in the same way, and all of it looks extremely sexist and some characters are even insulting.
True, this one off gag does rely on the trope of female characters tricked by two other male just to see them in a sort of embarassing situation, and it was clearly aimed for fanservice. However, eventually none of the girls keep with the cheer leading act if they don't want to, they're just pissed that Mineta tricked Yaoyorozu (which is actually IN character of her to be naive and trusting) and got up into that situation.
I do criticize the idea slightly, but I hardly find it insulting like I do sometimes in One Piece or Fairy Tail. |
There's a big difference in characters drawn with fanservicey designs versus manipulating females into embarrassing situations. The latter is saying it's ok to shame females for male pleasure. While MHA had some of the former (Mount lady comes to mind), this is the first time they've really done anything with the latter. Several of the girls were clearly uncomfortable and the boys were rubbing it in. I didn't see anywhere where they would have been able to change so it's not like they had much of a choice on whether to stick with the cheerleading act.
I never got into One Piece or Fairy Tail so I can't compare specifically to those but I've watched a lot of shonen shows. Most of the time, stuff like this gets removed unless it's tied to a specific plot point.
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It's been a while since I read this arc in the comic, but I am pretty sure that it was implied that Toru (the invisible girl) was very enthusiastic about the prospect of cheering, and was using Minoru's "deception" as an excuse to get the other girls to cheer with her?
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If this was in the manga, they cut it out from the anime. It was just Minoru and another boy saying that Aizawa told them about a cheer event.
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Marimo0
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:16 pm
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gabuhaha wrote: | I never got into One Piece or Fairy Tail so I can't compare specifically to those but I've watched a lot of shonen shows. Most of the time, stuff like this gets removed unless it's tied to a specific plot point. |
Like what examples exactly? Usually if something gets removed it's more because the original content was considered too suggestive and had to be toned down for TV viewing.
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:25 pm
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GamerTimeUSA wrote: | I'm hoping we actually get to see other Class A-1 fights that weren't in the manga. |
I lost hope that this adaptation was going to do anything different to the manga back in the first season. They'd much rather just slow down to a crawl. I'm sure we'll get plenty of flashbacks during those main battles, too.
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gabuhaha
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:29 pm
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Marimo0 wrote: |
Like what examples exactly? Usually if something gets removed it's more because the original content was considered too suggestive and had to be toned down for TV viewing. |
A specific example is this: From Rurouni Kenshin, Sano literally says, "Have breakfast and baths for five ready when we get back," in the manga before the fight with Kanryu. In the anime, not only do they remove this but Kaoru goes to fight with them. They rewrite a fair amount of Kaoru's role, actually.
That's an older show but the example stuck with me specifically because it's still one of my favorites. There's a lot more but I would have to look them up and I don't have the time right now. I generally watch anime first and then read the manga and I've dropped a lot of shonen manga specifically because things like that start cropping up.
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John Thacker
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 5:49 pm
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gabuhaha wrote: | The latter is saying it's ok to shame females for male pleasure. While MHA had some of the former (Mount lady comes to mind), this is the first time they've really done anything with the latter. Several of the girls were clearly uncomfortable and the boys were rubbing it in. I didn't see anywhere where they would have been able to change so it's not like they had much of a choice on whether to stick with the cheerleading act
BodaciousSpacePirate wrote: |
It's been a while since I read this arc in the comic, but I am pretty sure that it was implied that Toru (the invisible girl) was very enthusiastic about the prospect of cheering, and was using Minoru's "deception" as an excuse to get the other girls to cheer with her?
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If this was in the manga, they cut it out from the anime. It was just Minoru and another boy saying that Aizawa told them about a cheer event. |
They did leave it in with the invisible girl being enthusiastic, but not any sort of part where she realized it was a prank. I don't see how they implied that it's OK, exactly, considering that all the characters constantly insult Minoru and call him a creep. ("I teamed up even though it's you, because it was a good plan" during the cavalry event, etc.)
Do you also think that the show says that it's ok to be a jerk like Bakugo, simply because it portrays him being a jerk (and often fairly successful), or do you think that the negative reactions by other characters to Bakugo's actions are sufficient?
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FireballDragon
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:15 pm
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So not only did Deku win the prelim race without using OfA, he beat someone without using OfA on them?
AWESOME.
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DuskyPredator
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:14 pm
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Well the guy did not have any physical quirks, but from Deku's point we also see that line of thinking as an excuse on the guy's part as Deku has trained himself extensively without the expectation that he could just rely on some sort of brainwashing ability.
That show of power at the end was something else.
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Sahmbahdeh
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:43 am
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That was a good episode, and I definitely want to see more of this Shinso guy. In general, this whole season has been a step up from S1, although the pacing is still very shonen (read: slow). Part and parcel for the genre, though, so it's not like I have too much to complain about.
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:58 am
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^^Yep, happy to see MHA not slow down too much as the story is kept expanding. However, this episode seemed a little slow to me and spent a lot of time on Midoriya slowly walking with internal dialog on all sides rather than on action. The team mate's reaction to Shinsou made up for some of that I think. My theory on the newest reveal is that One for All passes on the soul (or a part thereof) of the previous owner to the next, which I think may explain why All Might looks like a ghoul as one person observed early on. He is meant to portray a "dead man walking" and I predict toward season end he will die.
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GamerTimeUSA
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 5:04 pm
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Hiroki not Takuya wrote: | ^^Yep, happy to see MHA not slow down too much as the story is kept expanding. However, this episode seemed a little slow to me and spent a lot of time on Midoriya slowly walking with internal dialog on all sides rather than on action. The team mate's reaction to Shinsou made up for some of that I think. My theory on the newest reveal is that One for All passes on the soul (or a part thereof) of the previous owner to the next, which I think may explain why All Might looks like a ghoul as one person observed early on. He is meant to portray a "dead man walking" and I predict toward season end he will die. |
Your theory is half right just so you know
[Edit]: added spoiler tags. Errinundra.
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:11 am
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this episode bothered me a bit mostly the thing with teh "previous oen for all users" as I don't remember the manga being like that, so I wonder if the spirits are anime original.
Manga spoilers ahead because in the manga, it was clearly mentioned that all might's "teacher" or rather the user directly previus to all might is the one where one for all originated with, so deku should be only the third user and there should have been only two souls
actually, I did not read that scene as one for all users but a deku hallucination on the people that wanted him to win, all might, uraraka, etc...
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:28 am
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maximilianjenus wrote: | this episode bothered me a bit mostly the thing with teh "previous oen for all users" as I don't remember the manga being like that, so I wonder if the spirits are anime original. |
They're in the manga as well, chapter 33.
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lossthief
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:02 pm
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maximilianjenus wrote: |
Manga spoilers ahead because in the manga, it was clearly mentioned that all might's "teacher" or rather the user directly previus to all might is the one where one for all originated with, so deku should be only the third user and there should have been only two souls
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That's entirely inaccurate. All Might establishes that OFA was originally possessed by All For One's brother. All Might's predecessor was a woman (and considering she was named Nana, and Horikoshi's penchant for super obvious Pun names its safe to assume she was the 7th user of OFA.).
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:59 pm
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You know, between Ochako, Emma from The Promised Neverland, and now Dr. Stone's Yuzuriha, it feels like we've gotten this really great influx of unconventionally-badass Shonen Jump heroines lately.
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DuskyPredator
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:47 pm
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Uraraka is at a huge disadvantage here, pretty much "the girl" character against "the rival" character", and Uraraka is not much the fighter type. Which has me feeling that she really might grow into a strong character, not held back by being "the girl".
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