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Kadmos1
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I will be honest. As much as I enjoy titles like "To Love-Ru Darkness", I do think there needs to be more safeguards for restricting access to extreme titles like this. Heck, I think this belongs in a seinen magazine considering how boundary pushing it is.
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zrnzle500
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On the matter of preventing sexual abuse of children, I disagree. @kinghumanity Many Americans find those things you point out unacceptable as well, and even the ones who approve of the policies which lead to those outcomes don't approve of those outcomes. |
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Kikaioh
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That sounds ludicrous. "Let's hold back on criminalizing and discouraging modern-day child pornography because maybe your grandpa left underage nudie mags in your attic." The reality was more likely tied to widespread cultural attitudes or even political pressure from major publishers, than some sort of half-baked fear that police would raid people's houses to crack down on 60's porno mags.
I already responded to this sentiment, but your "tu quoque" argument doesn't invalidate rebukes of Japanese culture, and using cultural relativism here amounts to redirecting/avoiding criticism. |
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ChrissyC
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There is truth in this.
We love to say "It`s fake", "fiction" and etc. Yet we are still loving our husbandos, waifus, crying at Angel Beats or wanting to kill Dio. We all seem to turn a blind eye when it comes to sexual abuse of characters because it`s "fake" and not humans, however we are caring about "fiction" on another level all of the time. I don`t believe it`s because people are biased to the fact that they have indeed cared about things that aren`t real. But rather they seem to unconsciously separate the two. EDIT: Because I love my bold text. |
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Zalis116
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lebrel
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In the US, 60's. But in Japan sexy shots of 16-17yo models showed up into the 90's, not just in nudie mags but trashy tabloids, idol magazines, even the type of lowbrow seinen manga mag that runs swimsuit pix along with the comics. IOW, things the average person might have around the house without thinking about it. And the Japanese definition of child porn is pretty strict, stricter than the US in some ways. We in the US can still make Hollywood movies with nekked 17-yo boobies in them, in overtly sexualized contexts, and have them win Oscars. I doubt publishers had anything to do with it, because the previous law did criminalize production and sale; only simple posession without intent to copy or sell was not criminalized. |
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Kikaioh
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"Sexy shots" and "child pornography" are different altogether, and junior idol magazines are still legally sold on the market. Regardless, whether it was the 60's, the 90's or even modern-day Japan, outlawing the sale and possession of real child pornography in order to discourage the existing industry is miles away more important than trepidations that your dad might still have questionable magazines from the 90's. And where are you drawing your perceptions about the 90's Japanese magazine industry from? Being a huge fan of early and mid-90's anime, I find it fairly difficult to believe that any day-to-day household magazines from the 90's could have regularly featured substantial content that would be considered sexually explicit child pornography. Combine that with the throw-away culture that Japan usually has towards magazines, and it's even more difficult to believe that what you're saying could have ever been considered any sort of compelling issue (though I could certainly imagine detractors of such legislation bandying about that sort of ludicrous reasoning to prevent passage). |
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lebrel
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The definition of child pornography in both the US and Japan includes sexualized partial nudity. How that gets interpreted is to an extent up to the jury, but US courts have ruled guilty in cases involving swimsuit and underwear shots. And sale and production were criminalized quite some time ago. It was simple posession that was legal until recently, as I've said repeatedly. Anyway, the US consumes more actual child porn than Japan does. Which suggests that that manga and anime are probably not motivating people to seek out actual c.p. |
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ANN_Lynzee
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The "noted issue" isn't removed. It's broken into two sentences. The word "unfettered availability" = "no restraint in access." The meaning isn't lost. The sentence is then expounded upon in a follow-up sentence that defines further by stating that the U.S. Department says there isn't a law to restrict access. The commentary doesn't imply a blanket statement about all porn unless you remove all context, like the preceding sentence defining what kind of porn is being talked about. You got me on "HAS" vs "suggested" wording oversight but if you want to conclude that I'm "cherry picking sentences" when there's only two to pick from and that's the only two in there, well.
Is this based on incidents of arrests/download numbers and/or compared vs population size? I'd be curious to see those numbers compared.
I know, it's why I spent several paragraphs after the U.S. Department's statement discussing Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Law. Nevertheless, that's what the U.S. Department wrote. |
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bs3311
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The million dollar question is what in the USA's claim of, "objectionable." Promotion of human rights not moralistic BS? Everything besides the LGBT seems to be legit concerns. But again, its always about child pornography without added nuance to what is or isn't. But since its not included and US of A is still the moralistic dirt country it is, its clear to agree they include lolicon or hentai. THEY ARE NOT REAL! And the whole, "trying to keep em out of minor hands." Is about as dumb as the ESRB for video games. Kids/otakus can find a way through and parents will mostly be unaware given the japanese work style gives them little to no time to deal with kids or minors. |
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Kikaioh
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You should clarify on your information sources/experience. First you're making broad commentary about 90's Japanese magazine content leading to a fairly questionable hesitation to pass anti-possession legislation, and now you're speaking to very particular wording about Japanese child pornography law. That isn't the sort of information that a passing Western fan possesses, let alone the average Japanese citizen. Regardless though, my point still stands -- given the increasing junior idol content being made available in Japan, it's difficult to believe that vast swathes of Japanese constituents could have been concerned about the criminal content of lingering magazines floating around from the 90's, let alone that any mainstream magazines from the period would would have contained such questionable imagery in the first place. I was also already aware that the sale and distribution of child pornography were criminalized at the tail end of the 90's, and it was possession that was outlawed in 2014 (the wording of my first post in this thread expresses as much). |
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lebrel
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I believe it's based on visits to download sites per X people. I can try to find the cite later.
I don't really see why you think they are referring specifically to preventing young people from accessing the stuff? I don't know offhand of any country that age-gates access to fictional sexual depictions of under-18s as separate from porn in general. |
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casenumber00
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I fail to see how this contributes to Japan's exceedingly high rape rate of 14 people per 1000, while the US has 27.3 per 1000.
On a list from highest to lowest among nations for rape rate, Japan is 105 while the US is 14. At first glance, it seems like a country with a high "unfettered availability of sexually explicit cartoons, comics, and video games, some of which depicted scenes of violent sexual abuse and the rape of children" has a low rape rate rather than countries that have low "unfettered..." with a high rape rate. Of course other factors may be at work. However, there seems to be something wrong with State Department's operationalzation of what factors lead to rape. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate |
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☆Rin☆
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The day we stop differentiating fiction from reality, we lose.
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Kikaioh
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To my understanding, there may be enormous social stigmas in Japan pressuring women to not report incidences of rape, and a police culture that's unsupportive and shifts the blame to the victims of such cases. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-rape-statistics-for-Japan-so-low |
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