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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:31 am
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HaruhiToy wrote: | Unless she matures a lot he is going to end up hating her no matter how sexy she is. She actually might, but warning klaxons should be going off in his head right now but aren't. |
That would only be true, if he went into the relationship with the intention of fixing her up to his standard. Which goes to the old standard of a woman trying to turn her bad boy good.
People are not made on cookie cutter molds, we are all different. Those differences make the couple relationship dynamics unique. People get together with each other for a multitude of reasons, hopefully love and respect are in the mix, but that is not always the case in real life. If you make a commitment in a relationship, then you are supposedly accepting your partner as a total package, the good with the bad. There are no perfect people; we all have some bad in us somewhere. Also, old age and/or heath issues can create mental problems that their significant other will have to put up with and accept.
I would say it would be pretty piss poor on his part if he hated her for being herself.
Gewürtztraminer wrote: | I really do not get the total handwave about a crime that has been committed. |
Anime has been known to hand wave a lot of things. Like how there is never an adult around, or any adults responding to bad things, unlike real life.
So you could be right, this is merely a plot contrivance that is no longer needed.
But it is also a believable thing too. Teenagers in real life hand wave tons of stuff. Serious crimes that are witnessed don't get reported for a variety of reasons. Bullying, harassment (sexual and otherwise), rape, physical assault, stealing, drug use, and the list goes on. School systems help foster this mindset also. The precedence should be call the 'real' Police first, and then notify the school system as an FYI. But usually the order is reversed and the police don't get notified.
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:18 pm
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Melicans wrote: | Ako may still be a handful, but rewatching the earlier episodes we can see that she has made improvements, even if she still considers game marriage to be equivalent in real life. |
I agree that she is both a handful and HAS made improvements from the beginning. That said, this episode specifically makes me look askance at the whole series and REALLY wonder if she's simply been playing the "long game" all along. Take note of (at least) 2 very important details from this episode:
1. Ako HAS been (apparently unbeknownst to ANYONE) working on her "real world" knowledge and habits in order to make herself appealing to/correct for Hideki (ie. her explanation that she has been STUDYING about going to fancy dinners)
2. Ako's explanation about game marriage. I admit, I had to rewatch this both to figure it out AND to follow the reactions, but look very closely at what she says here. For the sake of the others, she "flips" the script, but essentially her plan is to develop a "deep" relationship with Hideki so that the RELATIONSHIP is "binding" (mentally & emotionally, even if not "legally"). She tells them that 2 people married IRL would be "cheating" if they married someone else in game. Back in episode one, we see that she is INCREDIBLY introverted and socially awkward... IRL. So, the obvious solution is to begin the relationship in the GAME (where that isn't such a problem) and get the same result in reverse.
I don't think the "problem" is that she can't see the line between game and real (as has been believed), but instead I think she is shrewdly USING the game (and the misperception) to reach her goal. It would be interesting if any of the other girls reacted to her example in part because they REALIZE what she's doing.
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:48 pm
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Interesting theory. I don't know if I have enough faith in the writing of this one to believe that they'd actually try to pull off a twist like that, but it would be neat if they do.
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:58 pm
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I'm about 50/50 on if I ACTUALLY believe it myself.
I think they've given enough hints that it is POSSIBLE, but I also think the whole "game/real life disconnect" was just the "hook" to start things and everyone else has their (previously noted) reasons for playing along with it. But it is fun to ponder, and at least for now, it DOES seem possible. (but I think with how they've established her character, she's not going to be proven "crafty" enough to be ACTUALLY doing that)
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:44 am
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While I agree with the point about Ako's figure, I WILL say that one reason it is "believable" is because Ako is so young and therefore she still has a strong/healthy metabolism. I know some YOUNG gamers who altho not "toned" also do not appear "fat". That state doesn't usually persist beyond one's early twenties. (just a warning to all the teenagers and college kids enjoying their sedentary lifestyles)
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:59 pm
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that and she is supossed to be on teh chubby side, at least for japanese standars ; the anime recently had a dailog in which she said she prefers to keep her body soft as that's what men seem to prefer.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:08 pm
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Bats kinda reminded me of Biba...
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HaruhiToy
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:59 pm
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Once they captured the fort and before the betrayal someone stated that the alliance could only be broken if every one of the Wallenstein group had left the fort. That was right after a P.A. announcement that the alliance had been terminated.
So while they are talking that over the head guy (Bats?) from Wallenstein rises from the floor and slaughters them all. So he hadn't left the fort. Did I miss something or was that an error?
Also it isn't clear to me how the Alley Cats were ever going to hold the fort to begin with. They don't have enough people and they can't be all online enough of the time. I guess I just don't understand this type of online game.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:14 pm
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Bats probably rushed back in the moment the alliance was dissolved to slaughter them all.
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Melicans
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:32 pm
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HaruhiToy wrote: |
Also it isn't clear to me how the Alley Cats were ever going to hold the fort to begin with. They don't have enough people and they can't be all online enough of the time. I guess I just don't understand this type of online game. |
I don't think they ever planned, or at least expected, to keep holding it. They just wanted control long enough for everyone to get a screenshot of their character with the flag, which they had enough time to do had the alliance not been dissolved at that particular moment.
Anyways, I really enjoyed this episode. Never expected to see Akane in a maid outfit (I thought she'd show a lot more embarrassment after that initial upward pan), and Kyo's first-name reaction was unexpectedly adorable for someone who seems so "cool" and unruffled most of the time. Of course the highlight was Ako's delight at realizing that she is making progress, however slowly it may be going.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:58 pm
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moral of the story: if you have money you can overcome any obstacle :p
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:21 pm
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I "know" that neitehr the anime nor the novel will get there but it woudl be ncei if they met that bats guy irl and he ends up being a really nice person, and when they question him about how he acts in game, he'll be like "it's just a game".
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#858523
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:24 am
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maximilianjenus wrote: | I "know" that neitehr the anime nor the novel will get there but it woudl be ncei if they met that bats guy irl and he ends up being a really nice person, and when they question him about how he acts in game, he'll be like "it's just a game". |
Actually, I thought the anime did an excellent job of indicating Bats wasn't an evil hearted person. It's alluded many times that he's just incredibly bored with LA and getting his kicks by trolling others. Bats is presented as the kind of person who has seen everything and done everything you can do in LA. As you pointed out, in his mind it's all harmless fun in a game. He backstabbed an employer to just see would happen... not much else was behind the idea.
In episode 11 he outright states the betrayal was just to get a laugh. Episode 12 shows he had a civil conversation with Rusian and Ako, giving an honest reply about not wanting to defend the fortress and just attacking whomever wins it at the end. The confrontation ends with Bats finding his loss to premium items was amusing in of itself. He had no hard feelings and actually respects Apricot's insane reasoning to win for her friends at such high cost.
In fact, I'd argue because Apricot's victory had a real implications in the real world (i.e. it took real money), he backed off and realized his trolling went much father than he was comfortable with. Remember: Bats isn't aware that Apricot is owned by someone who's actually from an insanely wealthy family.
Given that mercenaries backstabbing their contractor is considered one of the worst things a mercenary can do, Wallenstein's behavior in episode 11 and 12 was out of the ordinary. Otherwise, their reputation as traitors would have gotten around.
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Ittaku
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:01 am
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Why spend the entire series with the protagonist trying to establish a real world relationship with Ako and then have a complete trope ending of him rejecting her kissing him. Sheesh what a backflip and ruined ending.
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