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Brian_FTP
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This is actually the only show this Spring that I'm looking forward to so far.
2 episodes in and I'm willing to watch it to the end... so far. The art and animation is gorgeous. That's a given from Trigger. Story-wise, they've set up an interesting premise, so we'll have to see where it goes from here. 
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Dian Z
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It seems that Okada had a vision on this, only that it feels unripe so far.
Still thoroughly enjoying this for (and thus far only because) Trigger's stylish animation treatment 
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Via_01
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Honestly? I'm having a lot of fun with this show! I can possibly boil it down to 2 reasons:
1) The incidental character writing Nick mentioned, how we get to learn a lot about these characters not because of the big moments but small conversations that aren't emphazised as anything extremely important by the show. 2) How the show doesn't seem to be taking itself extremely seriously. I know, this will probably be a negative for a lot of people, but I'm enjoying how many tense moments have goofy tracks in the background, how characters react with cartoonish reactions at getting hurt, how the Kiznaiver plan doesn't really seem to make sense (plus it looks silly, what with all the board meetings in dark rooms and awkward terminology) but characters still go along with it. It could have easily been a show without any sense of fun, but it's making me enjoy the story in a very light-hearted way. And about the premise, a lot of people might criticize the fact that these people are being forced to be friends through the Kiznaiver system. This is, truthfully, not how one would normally bond with others, specially people that seem to be in a completely different wavelength. However, by experience, I know people can often befriend their polar opposites if they give each other a chance. During my last year of high school, I became great friends with a few of the so-called "jocks": we just ended up having to do some assignments together, and it surprised me how fun it was to talk with these dudes I used to categorize as "shallow" or "dumb" because I never had it in myself to start a conversation with them. So yeah, it might be a forceful method, but the show's system got these guys to talk with each other, and in the end some may even form genuine bonds of friendship, which wouldn't have happened under normal circumstances (chances are half of these guys would've never talked with each other for more than a minute until graduation). I hope the show follows that path and doesn't leave these characters with the same relationships as before. |
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SnowyLightning44
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For me the show seems to be getting better now and the layout of the episode was pretty good and also having a slightly better balance of humour and seriousness then the previous two episodes and although it was kind of a shame that we didn't get to learn anymore of Maki's past but I guess that's probably gonna be a big subject in the anime so it does sense that's it's being left till later.
This was my favourite bit of the episode and I really liked the way they established the differing views/personalities of the 'Kiznaivers' in this round about way instead of stating it straight up so even though it was more subtle, it felt like it had a bigger of an impact |
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HaruhiToy
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That was actually my favorite part of the review. I think Nick has zeroed in on the essence of what makes this worth watching. For me at least. |
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Valhern
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I think I can't put into words how I felt about the episode better than the review. I believe that the overall show dynamic stepped up a whole lot and I definetely enjoyed almost all of it.
On the other hand, I'm a bit worried, it seems as if our seventh member is basically a huge, immoral saddist, and even if his whole running away thing was funny, I'm not really feeling good about his character, not because it put me off (I saw a boxer character cumming because a punch was so good, so whatever), but I think it's going to derail really hard. |
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casual pleb
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The most forced appreciated show I have seen in a while. The show is still terribly mediocre.
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Merida
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He seems to be more of a masochist to me, a sadist wouldn't enjoy the pain so much. But i think the real sadist here is Sonozaki who's adding a guy like him to a bunch of kids that are desperately trying to avoid pain because of their "bond". 
Things should get interesting from now on.
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Hameyadea
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"He's blessing out."
That nailed the scene for me. An unexpected comical twist 
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Valhern
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Ah yeah, I meant masochist but I got it mixed up. |
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Gina Szanboti
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They even sort of foreshadowed it with the supermarket scene. But I don't understand what's "immoral" about masochism.
This is definitely the season of throat and wrist bandages... Is this going to become a thing, like gauze eye patches? |
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crx07
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I think in their culture, perverted sexual desires are "immoral". Maybe the same as sadism, fujoshi, yaoi, yuri, incest, pedophilia, hentai-mindedness. Personally, I think all those are immoral. |
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Valhern
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Oftenly, sadism is considered to be the immoral one, since it's seen as an "agressive" figure, however, masochism and sadism share a similar psychological structure. Also, immoral is confused with ammoral. The latter is completely unaware of social norms, laws, etc., they act purely on whatever their impulse wants, they do not recognize criminality or responsability for wrongdoings. Immoral is totally aware of all the norms, in fact, it's likely that they know most of them. And, for whatever psychological background they have since it varies from individual to individual, they break the rules, this breaking of the rules usually manifests something deeply rooted in their inconscient that they don't know how to manifest it. In the case of masochism/sadism, they essentialy break the common sense rule of self-preservation of oneself and the other's body and psyche. Now, don't get me wrong, this is just a broad definition. The BDSM community would pick a bone with me if I said this since their basic structure is not harming anyone engaged, this is because they craft a safe space to satisfy said fantasy with the idea of not put in danger their health, they're conscient of the dangers. They make rules for breaking rules, sort to speak. |
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JacobC
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Yeah, I think it's pertinent to point out that Hisomu's behavior bears no resemblance to real-life masochism as a sexual fetish. The M part of the BDSM community doesn't just "get off" by causing themselves physical pain in every and any way possible, like someone magically swapped their pain and pleasure centers. So even though this might not have been the intent, it's more useful to think of Hisomu as having a weird sci fi hypothetical affliction instead of "being a masochist," much like Katsuhira's inability to feel pain is probably more of a weird sci fi hypothetical condition used to illustrate whatever Okada's trying to say about feelings, rather than actual congenital analgesia, which doesn't really resemble whatever he has.
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relyat08
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I think it's highly possible that someone could feel pleasure from any and every kind of pain, or whatever. There is no set-in-stone guideline for how to be a masochist. People have all kinds of strange quirks and fetishes that don't easily fit anywhere in particular. I've read/watched a lot of pornography, much of it BDSM, and what is meant to turn the audience on varies drastically from work to work. Some people like diapers so much that putting on as many as possible is sexually arousing. This isn't hard for me to buy and I don't have to chalk it up to sci-fi nonsense. |
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