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BadNewsBlues
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I think the word you were looking for is "sake". Also all art could be seen as being controversial even old school art like the statue of David. |
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Parsifal24
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*sigh* well this happened free speech takes it on the chin hopeful this may get overturned in Appeal but I doubt it. Of course than the more meta-textual question is "is this art?" and "what is art?" If I pour water into a box and call it art does that make it art?
The issue of obscenity to the side I don't think this has to be considered art in order to be defended as free speech although I think it is art I always wonder about the definitions of Art people have when things like this come up. |
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Topgunguy
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After reading the forum I pity those who use western values as a means to decry eastern as if they're views and morals are superior to others in every way. Maybe some, but everyone has their ups and downs, and no one has good up to down ratio
Just Saiyan. Last edited by Topgunguy on Tue May 10, 2016 8:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Gemnist
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And WE thought Anthony Weiner was a psychopath....
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valoon
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I hate this aspect of Japan that it forbids things like that. Shimoneta is not fiction, it's real sadly.
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rheiders
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If you read interviews with her you can tell how done she is with this whole thing lol. I saw this headline and my heart sank. We still have a long way to go, both for free speech and for the rights of women to not be shamed for our own bodies and sexuality.
I do really admire Rokudenashiko for using these unfortunate court cases to amplify her message. It's a very important one, and all the hell she's been through just proves it. I'm looking forward to picking up her autobiography later this week. |
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Hoppy800
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Time for her to get out of Japan. The Diet is tyranny, this is the same government who halted a meeting due to a female member's high fashion scarf, does not do a damn thing about the human rights violations in the idol industry, and appoints National Socialists into their cabinet.
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MarshalBanana
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David was a statue of person, who was naked. It wasn't just a penis. Her work was just her vagina, and the way she titles her work she is clearly trying to be controversial, not making anything meaningful. |
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VoidWitch
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Are you serious? Artists were doing it literally for CENTURIES! For example Impressionists works were super controversial at the time. The whole name of "impressionism" comes from the art critic who ridiculed the art piece of Monet saying that it's nothing but an impression and not a finished painting. Do you think Monet did not know what he was doing at the time? I highly doubt that. Art movements arise as a response to other art movements or certain events in the world\country at the time. Cubism might never have existed if not for the idea of 4th dimension that was flowing in the air of popular culture at the time. Rokudenashiko work is a response to the treatment of female sexuality and bodies in Japan. Just because "you don't get it" does not mean it's not art. |
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sillyriri
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A very common purpose of art (not that it needs a purpose) is political commentary. Surely the fact that her work provokes this kind of response, and the discussions that ensue from that, counts as meaningful? Why does something lose value to you if it's intentionally provocative? |
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Topgunguy
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Personally, I don't care what filth people want to make, but I hate people who bitch about naysayers not being allowed to criticize in the name of 'art' and 'freedom of expression'
You can call it whatever you want, art or otherwise, either way it's inherently in poor taste and people have the right to express how they feel about it. Art, good or bad, is not free from criticism, and 'free speech' as those idiots who conveniently preach in her defense, also applies to its naysayers. Lastly, LAW IS LAW!! You can complain about how flawed it is but she broke it first and foremost as far as the top dogs are concerned, and there's no Goddamn justification for that. Last edited by Topgunguy on Tue May 10, 2016 11:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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VoidWitch
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I'm not sure to what exactly do you respond with this message? There is a difference between making educated, well thought argument and screaming "This is shit (because i don't get it)!". The funny thing is that your opinions on a work of art are also not free of criticism because of a *free speech*. The problem here is not in the question of "Is this a good art or a bad art", but in hypocrisy of Japan's government as was stated in the article and comments. Also criticism of art =/= arrest.
Wait... What? That's one of the points she is making? Her work is a criticism of a government which by itself is kinda outlawed. I mean you can just look at Ai Weiwei and all the things that happened to him because of his criticism of Chinese government. Last edited by VoidWitch on Tue May 10, 2016 11:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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ANN_Lynzee
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I'm going to attempt to explain why Igarashi's art is important and you're all welcome to disagree, because art is subjective. That said, the political context of her art is extremely relevant. She isn't making cute vagina characters, cellphone cases, and vagina kayaks just because she wants to be famous. Japan (and many other countries, too) have labeled the vagina as inherently obscene. When I say "inherently" I mean the mere existence of it as offensive enough that it must be censored at all times even outside of a sexual context. Igarashi's art isn't showing penetrative sex, it's a part of anatomy like an arm or stomach or a thigh. She has to pay the court thousands of dollars because the judge decided that someone looking at a 3D printed vagina could be aroused. Igarashi has stated that she didn't know what a vagina looked like because of how restricted and censored depictions of a vagina is. So with that context on Japan's climate and general attitude on sex organs (because this applies to the penis, too), it might become more obvious that her art is subversive. She's taking a part of anatomy that is deemed offensive in its very nature and turning it into ridiculous things. It's basically "You think vaginas are so awful/obscene/gross/detrimental to society no one should be able to see it? Here it is as a BOAT. Here it is as a cutesy MASCOT. Does it still look imposing and dangerous and taboo?" |
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BadNewsBlues
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He wasn't a psychopath he was just someone who got caught in a sex scandal where no actual sex occurred. |
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Wingbeats
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I think some peeps here are missing the issue here.
Yeah, you can find this artwork weird or gross or whatever. That's fine. The issue is that she could have faced jail time for artwork. Which is explicitly a freedom of speech problem. There is also the double standard of a penis festival, yet all vaginas must be censored always, even if presented in a purely anatomical way. In the USA, you can create all the vaginas you want in art, and fear no repercussions from the government (My weird hippie of a sister paints flower vaginas for art galleries. Yeaaah). Social repercussions perhaps, but jailtime? Nope. |
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