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The SPJA Needs to Change Its Youth Protection Policy


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milkmandan



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:06 am Reply with quote
This entire YPP is retarded and asinine.

The background checks require individuals to give up their entire identity, DL#, Addresses, Travel History, Full SSN#. I don't mind giving out my DL# or even my address, but a FULL SSN#? How do we know the company NCSI has a bullet proof database that won't lead us all to become victims of identity theft from a hack? Their website looks like it's from the 90s.

I don't trust these people at all.

This policy protects no one except for SPJA and their legal liability. Passing laws for the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law is retarded. WORST of all is that they are pushing this on everyone literally 2 months before AX is happening? Sounds like SPJA and a complete failure to plan. This kind of policy is something you announce 6+ months before the event. Not 2 months. Come on SPJA, you're suppose to be more professional at this point. Why is it still being run by high school kids?

Did anyone else not notice that AX/SPJA has allowed a soft-core porn site to be their front page sponsor for AX right next to Crunchyroll? For crying out-loud, you want to turn away child molestors and you have a soft-core porn site on YOUR FRONT PAGE (Cosplay Deviants). Cliche much?
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samuelp
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:17 am Reply with quote
You know what this story needs? Some good insider sourcing.

I really want to know how this policy was decided, who came up with it, whether there was any internal debate about it, who is in charge of its implementation, etc.
Is it the brainchild of some powerful individual within the organization or was it "strongly recommended" upon them through legal advice... etc.

There's a such a gap between the policy's stated goals (keeping con attendees safe) and the policy itself, plus the last-minute nature of the announcement and all the fishy details.
I want to know more about the internal decision making before really deciding whether this a misguided idea for a good purpose or some malicious plot masquerading as "safety"... or some mix of the two.
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Hameyadea



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:19 am Reply with quote
I can somewhat agree to the notion of doing a background check -- it is to be safe from any possible suspicion. But having the cosplayers to wear their real name would be quite troublesome, as it opens up a different risk regarding their privacy.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:33 am Reply with quote
Hameyadea wrote:
I can somewhat agree to the notion of doing a background check -- it is to be safe from any possible suspicion.

The notion of requiring people and companies to pay for their own background checks, and announcing this only after the cancellation period so if they don't want or can't afford to do it they lose out on the money they already paid however...
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Project.2501



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:27 am Reply with quote
I'm surprised no one has called into question why the board members of the SPJA do not have to get background checks, or the employees of the convention center. I can name a few convention owners / board members who have been caught in sexual endeavors, or even some that have been convicted. Shouldn't these "leaders" be subject to the same
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AbZeroNow



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:33 am Reply with quote
Zac just wrote a bunch of tweets about how the SPJA had their open meeting, and said that discussion of the YPP was going to be entirely behind close doors. They basically shut down discussion on the most contentious issue, and a former board member(according to Zac) said that he agreed with all of the criticism, and directly asked if they had had even thought about the timeline(as far as annoucing this just 2 months before the convention). He had also thought dumb that they had an open meeting and weren't going to discuss the YPP issue.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:12 am Reply with quote
Yeah, sadly I wasn't able to tape that conversation so all I could really share were some casual observations.

I have interview questions out to the SPJA right now but this is an evolving situation, so we're all in wait-and-see mode. I've done a whole lot of asking.
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Project.2501



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:19 am Reply with quote
Well today was the deadline for Exhibitors to sign and return their addendum. I'm curious how many others simply did not sign.
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Hideki-Motosuwa





PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:05 pm Reply with quote
Good thing I swore off ever attending Anime Expo years ago. Nice to see nothing has changed since then........same BS going about as always.
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MidoriUma



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:56 pm Reply with quote
Project.2501 wrote:
I'm surprised no one has called into question why the board members of the SPJA do not have to get background checks, or the employees of the convention center. I can name a few convention owners / board members who have been caught in sexual endeavors, or even some that have been convicted. Shouldn't these "leaders" be subject to the same


If they're physically working at the con, I'd assume they were required to under this rule.

I spent some time looking things up, and the more I find out, the more I'm convinced this needs to happen. People are complaining about the checks not applying to attendees. The difference is, con staff and volunteers are in a position of authority at the event. Particularly with younger people, there is a pressure to do what they tell you.

Just a few examples with documentation:

Ryan Kopf: He's an organizer of a number of small cons, and sexually assaulted a number of women.
http://professorpher.tumblr.com/post/54077111698/balhalla-ravennight14-fluffysparkles-a

Robert Goodew: He's a level 3 sex offender who was staff at multiple cons after his conviction for attacking a 12 year old boy.
http://www.nerdandtie.com/2014/09/25/an-animinneapolis-and-metacon-staffer-is-a-convicted-predatory-sex-offender/

Leslie B. Shotwell: Aki Con hired a convicted rapist to DJ. They then went and raped a teen girl at the con. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-08/convicted-sex-offender-attends-aki-con-2013-event-as-guest-dj
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AbZeroNow



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:00 pm Reply with quote
@MidoriUma:

If AX really wants to protect children, they should scrap this half-baked, ad hoc policy that may have been written by lawyers, and they come up with a plan at least six months before a convention.

The article points out the very real danger forcing cosplayers to display their real name on badges, and the potental lawsuits in A.) enabling stalkers and B.) possibly running afoul of California law in having employers run background checks on their employees. I also don't like the idea of suddenly forcing a de facto tax on vendors to be able to attend this convention when NO OTHER convention requires them to do this.
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fryguy81



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:09 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:


I actually feel safer when checks and searches are done to me, because I know they're being done to everyone. Even the idea of checks and searches being done is enough to scare off some people. I remember hearing on the radio an interview with a retired CIA agent who specialized in catching terrorists. He was asked why they're primarily targeting Europe now instead of North America; his response was that Europe as a whole is a lot less on guard and a lot less protected against terrorist attacks than the United States, Canada, or Mexico. In other words, they're easy targets, just like how a bicycle thief will try to look for a bicycle that's not locked or locked improperly.

That being said, I'll be coming as an attendee, and I'm certain if, on the very very slim chance a terrorist is going too, they'll most certainly be coming as an attendee too.


and that's why they're done. They make people feel safe, but they don't actually make them safer.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:33 pm Reply with quote
AbZeroNow wrote:
@MidoriUma:

If AX really wants to protect children, they should scrap this half-baked, ad hoc policy that may have been written by lawyers, and they come up with a plan at least six months before a convention.

The article points out the very real danger forcing cosplayers to display their real name on badges, and the potental lawsuits in A.) enabling stalkers and B.) possibly running afoul of California law in having employers run background checks on their employees. I also don't like the idea of suddenly forcing a de facto tax on vendors to be able to attend this convention when NO OTHER convention requires them to do this.
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I agree with your first point, as for the other two:

A. I don't know how AX manages badges traditionally, but as I posted in this thread, both SDCC and NYCC use RFID badges that can be scanned to provide the scanner with full identification details of the badge holder. The holder's name isn't printed on the badge, and it doesn't have to be.

B) Not only are background checks legal for both employees and volunteers in California, it's legal to pass on the cost to them.

As for security checks only providing the illusion of security, any real proof of that? Because between 1968 and 1972, commercial airline flights were hijacked every other week on average. We can probably count on our fingers how many times flights were hijacked after the passage of universal passenger screenings in 1973. Coincidence?
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ResistNormal



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:11 pm Reply with quote
Agent355 wrote:
AbZeroNow wrote:
@MidoriUma:

If AX really wants to protect children, they should scrap this half-baked, ad hoc policy that may have been written by lawyers, and they come up with a plan at least six months before a convention.

The article points out the very real danger forcing cosplayers to display their real name on badges, and the potental lawsuits in A.) enabling stalkers and B.) possibly running afoul of California law in having employers run background checks on their employees. I also don't like the idea of suddenly forcing a de facto tax on vendors to be able to attend this convention when NO OTHER convention requires them to do this.
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I agree with your first point, as for the other two:

A. I don't know how AX manages badges traditionally, but as I posted in this thread, both SDCC and NYCC use RFID badges that can be scanned to provide the scanner with full identification details of the badge holder. The holder's name isn't printed on the badge, and it doesn't have to be.

B) Not only are background checks legal for both employees and volunteers in California, it's legal to pass on the cost to them.

As for security checks only providing the illusion of security, any real proof of that? Because between 1968 and 1972, commercial airline flights were hijacked every other week on average. We can probably count on our fingers how many times flights were hijacked after the passage of universal passenger screenings in 1973. Coincidence?


I think somethings got threw on September 11, 2001. Oh Richard Reid the Shoe bomber and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab the underwear bomber got threw too. The increased number of air marshals is what improved safety. A recent security audit found that TSA scanners failed to stop explosives and weapons 96% of the time. This isn't really relevant because we are not talking about air port security we are talking about an anime con. No ones is showing up to the air ports, or concerts, and sporting events in complex cosplay. So comparing to the security at those places to anime con is asinine, one is not equal to the other. What good did all the air port security do at the brussels airport, the people killed where stand in lines queues wait for security checks. It's impractical to have checks like this ant an even like an Anime con.
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fryguy81



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 5:01 pm Reply with quote
Agent355 wrote:





As for security checks only providing the illusion of security, any real proof of that? Because between 1968 and 1972, commercial airline flights were hijacked every other week on average. We can probably count on our fingers how many times flights were hijacked after the passage of universal passenger screenings in 1973. Coincidence?


Airports had security checkpoints and well 9/11 happened.
Didn't really want to use that for an example.
Likewise OKC bombing happened and the guy never stepped foot inside that building.
I'm not saying it doesn't limit, I'm saying if someone wants to hurt you. You have to do more than something like this. Actual measures and not illusory "protections"

But really my only issue here is the forcing vendors and guests to do this. Background checks on AX Personnel is fine. Heck is understand the bag checks and metal detectors as deterrents despite my belief that security is an illusion.

But vendors and guests, I'm sorry I just don't think that's right.
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