Forum - View topicINTEREST: Former Ghibli Producer: Women Too 'Realistic' to Direct Fantasy Films
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MangaRocks!
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Wow. Talk about sexist...
(BTW, I think Rie Matsumoto would like to have a word with you...) (Also, this:)
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Kougeru
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I've read somewhere that scientific studies have actually proved his statement true...so I don't think it's sexist. He said "Tend to be" which also reads "Are not always". I can't find the research I read (lol I know how that sounds) because most of the results on Google are about this article on like 50 different websites -_- |
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FireChick
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I only have pairs of words.
Rebecca Sugar. Lauren Faust. Brenda Chapman. Sayo Yamamoto. Rie Matsumoto. These are all I can come up with off the top of my head. |
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Lady Multi
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No sir. Perhaps they haven't been given the chance to Direct and show what they can do because men think they can "do it better".
It's like how women usually use pseudonyms of use initials when they publish books. People simply don't think that a woman's work of fiction would be any good because she's a woman. ..A notable modern one being J.K. Rowling. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Time for that inevitable warning. A few posts have already disappeared. No please stay civil, no lets get back on topic guys ok thanks, and no let's all be nice everyone. Stay civil. Period.
And for those once again whining about click bait titles, it's an INTEREST piece. Like the others. Don't like them, than stop reading them. Posting to only flame bait and troll the threads with a pointless comment like that is getting old. |
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AiddonValentine
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This guy clearly hasn't seen a lot of female-made manga series then. That's the hilarious thing about that comment; it's not only sexist, it's horrendously ignorant. Plus it doesn't paint men in a positive light either.
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Stuart Smith
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He said 'directed', not written. Books and manga are an entirely different medium from anime and movies. Regardless, even if one ends up listing a few examples, exceptions don't disprove a rule. Not that I necessarily a hundred percent agree with him. Unfortunately, while this is an interesting topic to discuss, Western internet culture pretty much condemns and jumps on anyone who tries to even insinuate men and women are different in any way, which effectively prevents any kind of intelligent discussion to be had.
American creators don't have a place here because they're usually committee driven shows. Rebecca sugar and Lauren Faust don't even direct the shows they worked on. Given the whole sordid history behind Brave, using Brenda Chapman as an example is a pretty bad one. The two anime people you listed don't draft fantasy works so they're not really relevant. Just saying. -Stuart Smith |
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H. Guderian
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Wrote a massive post speculating.
Short version. Director-san here thinks men are too idealistic - but not otherwordly. Women are, in other Ghibli and anime interviews, said to be fantastical and used as characters because they are the opposite gender and less understood. They can't parse the difference between their own experience and the character. He's straight up pretty much saying "I don't know the other gender, they're good to talk about." Take a stroll around fanfics and fanart, women draw a lot of men. They too likely see the other gender as mysterious and a suitable target of fantasy. So I take this as him being too acquainted with his stale Man-Role. "We've done fantasy, and used female leads because they're otherwordly, and since that's the way it has been, that is the way it must be." Ghibli never really had the vast talent of the industry flow through its doors. He can't seem to grasp that if he let a woman have the creative role, She'd make a male lead. And males are 'not-fantasy.' Or maybe she'd do other things that are legitly fantasy, and he wouldn't consider them so. tl:dr, This guy simply never had to work in the industry abroad all that much, or with the wealth of talent in artists around the world. "I saw some things that didn't click with me, so it must not ever be posible." Disclaimer, I'm all for equality of everyone having an equal chance to climb the ladders and direct. I think our differences are the keys to unlock doors to dozens of different fantasies we can all enjoy. Ghibli is stagnant, thusly without Miyazaki has little future. Not that he ever did much different. |
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Cancer DeathMask
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How about Kaoru Kurimoto, who wrote "Guin saga " can't get more fantasy than that.
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Pierrot.
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He's talking about directing. |
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Mr.Shonen
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Eh... Its Japan. Gender equality is not really their strong point, though anime/manga has great female personalities. Life is too short to get angry at one guys opinion. Because its just that, an opinion.
Funny to see the outrage coming from sites like Verge and Fusion. Sites know for looking under every rock to find something to be offended by. You would think by now that they would understand that Japan has different opinions from the west. |
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CrowLia
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But his argument is that "women are realistic and thus are not suited to work with fantasy stories", yet there are droves of women all across media creating fantasy, so that disproves his statement about women being ill-fitted for fantasy works. If women can create fantasy, then why would directing fantasy be an unfathomable thing? But hey, as we all know, the director of Blood Blockade Battlefront and Kyousugiga was very clearly a man |
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Agent355
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You know, when I watched Kyousougiga, I wondered "why is this show so realistic?" And it took until I read Mr. Nishimura's comment for me to realize, "Oh! It's because it's director and co-creator, Rie Matsumoto, is a woman!" I truly have to thank him for this revelation. It explains why there's so much realism in shows like Cowboy Bebop as well, because its scriptwriter, Keiko Nobumoto, is a woman. So the next time you watch an episode of Kiznaiver (Mari Okada), Full Metal Alchemist (Hiromu Arakawa), Inuyasha (Rumiko Takahashi), Blue Exorcist (Kazue Kato), xxxHolic (CLAMP), Sailor Moon (Naoko Takeuchi), The Woman Called Fujiko Mine (Sayo Yamamoto), or dozens of other anime originally written by or directed by women, and you find yourself thinking "I wonder why this show is so able to realistically capture details of my day-to-day life!" Wonder no more!
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Pierrot.
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Look. I don't fully agree with his statements but that's not what he meant. In his earlier line he states 'Unlike live action, with animation we have to simplify the real world." He's clearly talking about directing an animated film. |
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Stuart Smith
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The same way someone can be a good writer but not a good artist. Directing is a visual talent. Able to plot how a 30 minute episode will be paced, look, the camera angles, and all those audio visual cues someone writing a book doesn't have to worry about. -Stuart Smith |
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